of course the david thornburghs and others say, "you should resign," is he gonna resign?> well, you know, there's some speculation that he needs the salary, which is pretty sad. i'd look to his own words. he called for justice eakin to resign because of the pornographic e-mail scandal, and justice eakin wasn't even charged with any crime in that matter. he showed terrible judgment in what he did. seth called a press conference and demanded his resignation. i just think maybe he should be consistent with his own views. >> but there is not a huge public outcry, i don't think, on this. >> no. >> people that really pay attention to this stuff and have the time at all, they're appalled, and people are making the cases we just did. this tarnishes the justice system. but i don't see people other than what he allegedly did with his mother. that type of thing seems to grab people that are going through this pretty quickly, and it's -- >> being in the public eye and everywhere you go people know you, that everywhere you go now, people are looking at you. and everybody's aware. woul