clear from my reporting and from others reporting is that the official who directly ordered this, david wildstein who goes back with chris christie to high school was somebody who was very much feared in the agency and the feeling inside the port authority was that he was representing the governor, he was just a leap frog away, he was the number one official. and when he said it, whether christie ordered it or not -- >> it was interpreted as this was coming from the governor. when people say to him, this is a terrible idea, this is going to be massively disruptive. >> to say proposed was extended a fairly short process. what the head of bridges and tunnels testified is that they learned the friday before that this was going to happen, which they said was at variance from their normal procedures and that they shouldn't do anything to stop it. >> okay, i want to give some context here, because you think to yourself, you see this story at first, and you think to yourself, the charges being made is this is the pay back for a democratic mayor who wouldn't endorse chris christie, he's a democrat, chris