and he wanted to bring this to the attention of dawson college in monterey but the president of the software company called what i'll call data form of a cyber attack and charlie there after the college expelled him for his conduct for more i was joined the earlier by michael gregg c.e.o. of superior superior solutions and i asked him if this really can be considered a cyber attack well jeff weakly this type of activity isn't really call the cyber attacks but there's really two pieces of the story one day he found the problem in the code the second one was that he used a scanning product to actually scan to see if the problem had been fixed once he scanned their network that typically sets off warms and sets of triggers because it's using the times to test a network for putin should louie the prequel to an attack ok so you know the protocols are there a sense that there was something going on there but the fact that he's expelled and there's all these repercussions i mean how can it be considered an attack if he never intended to harm anyone or steal any information. that's kind of tough but