are haagen—dazs great, great. it's quite clever, isn't it? pure radio four turn. >> yeah, but it's guilt by omission. it's the, um. why aren't you signalling that virtue? are you in favour of the bad side ? yeah, and that's why bad side? yeah, and that's why everyone feels like they have to. >> yeah. that's why taylor swift, was the fence. she swift, she was on the fence. she eventually came out as eventually just came out as a lefty. but for ages, she. she maintained like, maintained the signs like, is she trump with silence? >> yeah. i always thought in 1994 or 5 or something, i got a job early on as a journalist on the big issue and the big issue, of course, was, you know, launched to help homeless people raise a bit of money with honest graft flogging a magazine. graft by flogging a magazine. but, couldn't but, um, you couldn't help noticing you know, the noticing the, you know, the editorial of that magazine was pretty hard left as well. and i did think actually, if you just if the idea is you're providing did think actually, if you just