>> no, so they are going to switch from design build to dbfm. >> i don't believe that is what you are saying >> help me out, somebody. >> so, george, the director lee, is represents the cal train joint powers board that oversees, the cal train system from gill roy to san francisco. and directors and the cal train board of directors last fall approved a particular delivery method for cal train electrickfiation, what they arrived was a design build approach. and we, of course, are not there yet and we are still investigating different methods and we are trying to fund the cal train extension and our jurisdiction is just from currently fourth and king to the transit center. it is expected to be completed in 2019 which will be earlier than we expect complete our downtown extension and at the earliest i think that we had it in 2022 or 24 and after the electrickfiation is done in 2019. and so, that is the context. and so director lee was asking about director lee now that i gave him the context, if you could request the question again. >> okay, so, don't feel pressure to have an answer, and

so that we are not recreating that we own a lot of cases if you do get, for example,, you know, the dbfm to work and it actually says that this is cheaper than traditional, by traditionally in the neighborhood of 5 to ten percent, and you say, that is generating value for money for me, and that would make sense to examine that to the fullest. and this is just an example and this is taken from another project and so don't, it is not mapped in any way against this project. and but we would like to sit down with all of the stake holders and the board and what are your goals and objectives, i called this as a consumer reports and kind of easy to understand, the public can understand it as well. each one of those methods measured against those goals and objective and where it sitses, where you will get the solid fwox you will get the strongest and you are achieving the most amount of objectives helps you then get a tangent and not just the numbers but the human aspect and the real aspect of this delivery method and these are two things that we would say we would recommend for you to say go fo

next one, and this is really kind of the public, private partnership realm, and i like to call it dbfm because you kind of build those letters up and here you introduce, maybe, two key elements beyond the other delivery methods and one is that there is a long term private finance component that comes in and the second thing is that you are getting a life cycle and maintenance and rehab and hand back and you are getting those things as part of this, and so now, it will design it and look at what the maintenance is and so it will design in a way that maybe look as non-ta dishal and it creates a lot of advantages because at the end of the p3 you are going to say that i want the assets back with a lot of residual life with x amount of years and quality, so you have to balance the design and or do i maintain the cheap and expensive, it is neither, it is a balance that each firm does and i will show you at the end that this is what drives the value for the money that you are seeking. and it is a performance based contractor and you are looking for out comes here that is really what you are d

. >> and what is coming out on the study about the p3 is just looking on the dbfm on the securing of the funding and in order to start the project earlier than might be with other mods. >> what other funding. and in terms of the cost benefit. and just something for later discussion. >> and director and, any closing comments? >> they are commented >> and i wanted to thank the board and i just wanted to direct and it was very, important and we need to have the discussion on governorans and we are going to do that, and we are going to talk about the operation and we have been talking about this as well as the ta in san francisco, and something that it is important to keep in mind, and that is just like doyle drive and they had a gaurantor in order to move forward, and you need to vaul of the funding sources committed. >> and we also need as a board to be working together, and to be making sure that the dtx is fully fund and that the commitments are there, just like we need to make sure that cal train electrickfiation is fully funded and so that is an important discussion that we need to