and richard was big important editor of the brown daily herald, otherwise known as the dbh, who chewed out enormously on something i wrote. so i didn't actually become a journalist. [laughter] >> so sorry. >> at the end of the, well, and then i was working for usaid in the economic growth office in kabul when he became a strap -- became srap and implemented some new procedures. but i am sorry he wasn't able to complete that terribly important and probably hopeless task. one of the things i've been reflecting on though is that it was well known at brown that he was going into the foreign service. i think he was one of the very few who actually got to go into the foreign service right from college. and in those days, which i know because i pursued a career in public service also, but those were the unusual days. i did know it at the time, when a public service government career was considered honorable, even prestigious. and he was a real embodiment of that. >> thank you very much. [applause] >> well, if there are no further questions, strobe -- yes? [inaudible] >> can you speak about th