good luck running into him at the dca, wiping the mustard off his hands -- >> wow. that's really painting a picture of him. >> you know, right after 2008, when people like us were having this exact conversation, the republican party has to change, haley the one that said, no, actually, we lost a close election wait for the mid terms and we'll come back. we don't have to change too much. our field program was terrible. our data was terrible. but there's a real argument -- we should do cosmetic stuff but i don't think he's talking about a leftward lurch. >> but in 2005 when howard dean implemented the 50 state strategy, rove saying this week we need a 50 state strategy, part of what they're missing it wasn't just about more people on the ground, better data, better systems, all of that we put in place. but, you know, dean's thing was you have to show up and ask people for their vote. it is a sign of respect. the republicans don't even show up for that extra 47%. >> but even independent of that, there is a reality, michael steele talking about the number of, you know,