within about 30 to 45 minutes, we were back in the ci conference room to renew -- dci conference roomnt laid a bombshell on the table. he essentially said, these are almost direct quotes, we have learned from the interrogation of a high-level al qaeda weretive that not only there substantial contacts between al qaeda and baghdad, that those contacts included secret police, saddam special people, training al qaeda operatives and how to use chemical and biological weapons. that is so must a direct quote. at that point, powell said, put it back in. from that point on, though i did take some of the stuff out as late as 2:00 a.m. in the morning and the waldorf-astoria are to the morning of the presentation and had film, george tenet's counterterrorism czar, standing behind me in the waldorf, trying to prevent me from taking things out until i finally told him i would physically remove him from the room if you did not leave of his own will, people were trying back intot portion the presentation. but the damage was done. the secretary, as you know, presented the information as if there were

he knew his superiors, dci, dni, and white house counsel were opposed. did it anyway. >> should he have been prosecuted for this? >destroying relevant material? >> that was one of the questions that john durham -- attorney asked thatc holder look intom look at, the cia detention and interrogation program. john number of years, durham, special prosecutor, looks into every single cia officerthat the has with the detainee. decides there is only about 100 cases that are interesting to read looks at all of them here he to only do a full investigation into bank cases. -- in two cases. tono case does he decide bring charges. he looks at hose a's decision to destroy the tapes and decides not to ring charges. josÉ had been told by the legals that he had the authority to destroy the tapes. you said, what we really need here is to find out what the truth is. not just believe the senate report of the democrats. the cia was opposed to the release of the report? >> i will tell you i was originally opposed to release. now we are going to start talking about consequence

reflect back on how seamlessly president bush, vice-president chen yes, secretary rumsfeld, i believe dci tenet, the cia, everyone seamlessly, without hesitation, rolled out this incredible plan, flawed perhaps at times-but no question that it was rolled out seamlessly and in short order to attack the enemy, and remember, neil, that everyone overlooks -- you and i have had this conversation -- it was the first time since 1947, since the national security act of 1947 was enacted, that the united states, thanks to president bush's wisdom and ability to see the future, took the united states from a defensive military posture to an offensive military posture -- >> line, i aggrieve one-half what pat was saying. the bad guys can read us and read our distractions and if we're not paying attention and i think that's that kind of stuff hanes. >> i think that's right. listen, the lone wolves are here. make no mistake about it. i've said it over the years. they're already here. it well not be lone wolves at some point. they'll get a signal. they will will gather up and and we'll not see them. most l

i had great admiration for, great admiration for, great officer knew that, knew that his superiors dcii were opposed and knew white house counsel were opposed but jose did it anyway. >> rose: should he have been prosecuted for that, fare destroying relevant material. >> so that was one of the questions that john durham. so the attorney general eric holder asked that john durham look into the cia detention and interrogation program. and so for a number of years john durham special prosecutor looks into every single interaction that a c.i.a. officer has with a detainee. and decides that there's only about a hundred cases that are interesting, looks at all of those, decides to only do a full investigation in two cases. and in no case does he decide to bring charges. he also looks into jose's decision to destroy the tapes and decides not to bring charges because jose had been told by the lawyers of the c.i.a. that he had the legal thord to order detail struction. whether the tapes were destroyed or not is a policy call not a legal call. >> rose: looking forward, you said look what we reall

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