dcma employers are provided fraud awareness training, and the dcma legal team works with our contracting staff, dod criminal investigators, federal prosecutors and contracting office is supporting appropriate judicial or administrative sanctions against contractors. in closing, i would like the commission to know that dcma understands the value of contractor past performance and the rule of suspension and debarment and takes as its mission in the context. we remain committed to our warfightewar fighters, sewing employees, contractors and the american taxpayer to provide quality products and services delivered at a fair and reasonable price where and when they are needed. i welcome your questions. >> thank you, admiral. mr. carroll. >> good morning. co-chairman shays, chairman thibault, distinguished numbers of the panel, commission, thank you very much for the opportunity to appear today to discuss our views and opinions on the current state of u.s. 80 suspension and debarment program. i think the best way to do that is go back to the audit in 2009 on the agency suspension and debarment

if dcma has the information -- >> yes, sir. >> -- why wait, given what you've heard? and this isn't exactly new news. after all's been said and done there's been aid reports, pogo's been driving the government crazy. why after all these years you do not feel the absolute imperative to provide every ounce of information available to you whether it was requested or not? >> yes, sir. i would respond by saying i do feel that imperative. however, there is policy that exists that we are actually currently reviewing to see if we can change that limits our ability to input that data. >> what kind of policy, could you specify, please, and who made the policy, and when was it made? >> i don't know when it was made. i'm -- and i believe it is a local policy, either dcma or perhaps dod, and i'm not positive there. >> you mean you're a senior official at dcma, and you don't know if you've made policy? is that what you're telling me? >> nono, sir, i would know if i made policy. >> i know you personally, but you wouldn't know whether it was the deputy secretary or whoever on somethi

let me ask you, again, about the dcma.you were asked about the three-star replacement by a civilian. but i know the dcma asked for 69 additional slots in fiscal 11. degette then and if not, why not and what does that tell about the importance of dcma in the overall budget crunch. >> 69? >> yes, sir. >> this is going to be another one of these -- i'm going to give you a general answer to the question, which is dcma is being bract to southern virginia. lucky them. and on the scale of destruction that that provides to the management of dcma, the number 69 is small. that's my opening comment on that. on the specific point of the fact this may be a little on like the jcci officer where we are going to need to come back to you but let me ask shays if he wants to comment. >> actually, the -- >> it's a little awkward to have you testify -- we haven't sworn you in and we only have one microphone. >> we asked to have shays up here for this kind of question. >> let me get back to you. >> no offense to you, mr. shays. thank you, sir.

one of the problems that i think we are well on our way to fixing is, again, in my environment as dcma i provide that past performance data, and i do this routinely, not just the cpars piece, to the procurement contracting officers, to the pcos and to the program offices. the way our policy that i was discussing currently lays out the pcos are the ones that are responsible to put in that performance data. in some instances i'm probably the closest, my organization is the closest to observing and surveying the contract performance, and that's why we've changed recently to have us put directly into cpars. so i think some of it is the way the system was developed, and i believe the people that developed the system previous to us did a good job putting something out there, but we need to make it better. >> well, what it describes, the fact that you used the word seem is distressing was -- because it doesn't seem outrageous, it is outrageous. that's the bottom line, that's the whole point. mr. carroll? the question is, this is so outrageous, what do you hear within the system that kind of j

and i'm curious because dcma is the dod's lead agency on contract administration. >> yes, sir. we provide input to icann, the pco. i don't have any authorities to suspend our debar. i do provide input. i do provide surveillance entity provide some sort of oversight. >> thank you, commissioner henke. now we'll go to dr. zakheim. >> thank you, mr. chairman. first of all, mr. carroll you're going to get me some answers on those four entities. that were left out and whether they got any new contracts, whether they are still contractors. >> the four entities were related to one company, and i can't definitively as to whether they got follow-up contracts, but i will get back to for sure when we get back to the office. >> which company was that? >> it's called dan x. >> i appreciate that. captain harrington, geoff twice in sag don't analyze the data. this is what you said about what your office does. you manage, you oversee. you do proper database management, configuration management, customer support and training. but if you don't analyze the outcome how do you know what you're suppo

can you help us understand them and i'm a fan of dcma, totally. but, you know, my sense is it's wrong, you were asked in this late date, you had to take the initiative. why are you not being asked? >> yes, sir. first and foremost, it's not just me that made this finally happened. my team was working on it, and i was just in this particular case, i did provide a little bit of perhaps forcing function to get it working. i just had a meeting, actually the logcap aide who was held on wednesday of this last week. and i sat down with the program office, without question, we all agreed that my organization shouldn't be putting in the performance reviews, performance information into cpars for logcap iv. now, logcap iii, the issue is, there's a little bit of a dual responsibility within a dcma, with our houston group and with my group. and we are working very closely with the houston group to ensure that we properly document past performance for even logcap iii is currently being executed. in iraq, we are starting to input data as well. i want to say abou

dcma employers are provided fraud awareness training, and the dcma legal team works with our contractingstaff, dod criminal investigators, federal prosecutors and contracting office is supporting appropriate judicial or administrative sanctions against contractors. in closing, i would like the commission to know that dcma understands the value of contractor past performance and the rule of suspension and debarment and takes as its mission in the context. we remain committed to our warfightewar fighters, sewing employees, contractors and the american taxpayer to provide quality products and services delivered at a fair and reasonable price where and when they are needed. i welcome your questions. >> thank you, admiral. mr. carroll. >> good morning. co-chairman shays, chairman thibault, distinguished numbers of the panel, commission, thank you very much for the opportunity to appear today to discuss our views and opinions on the current state of u.s. 80 suspension and debarment program. i think the best way to do that is go back to the audit in 2009 on the agency suspension and debarment p

when we had the hearing with dcaa and dcma, we realized we were ships passing in the night. that is what i feel is happening right here. do you have a sense some of this is occurring? >> are you asking me, sir. >> yes, sir. >> chairman shays, i will tell you i think the isdc provides a very valuable opportunity for us not to be ships passing in the night. i've been in the meetings. they were very valuable place to exchange information that is separate question whether we need to get that report in and the answer to that is, yes, we need to get that report into congress. >> the 09 report and 2010? >> yes, sir. >> both of them? yeah. do you understand, mr. gordon, why congress requested it? >> yes, sir. >> mr. blalock, do you understand why they requested you to do this? >> i do, sir. >> okay. >> i said i would yield back some of my time since i already used up more time when mr. , my co-chairman was asking questions. so we're going right to mr. green. >> thank you. >> okay. mr. zakheim asked you very briefly about the new compliance you established for compliance and oversigh