this was a dden. this is where the tv was. my father used to sit here on the chair and watch "the untouchables." this is the couch. yeah. >> great. but, you knew most of the people in this building? >> you knew everybody in the building. >> they all knew you and everybody knew what everybody's business was? >> absolutely. you could recite every apartment. you knew who lived in every single apartment. we were the first ones in the building so for 10 years, there was not much turnover. you knew who lived in every apartment. >> your grandmother would come down -- >> yet, my grandmother upstairs. >> would you eat together? >> yeah, we would except for my father who came home to late from work to eat with him. >> he was a clothing manufacturer? >> a salesman. >> it seems like this is a good thing. family, you know, everybody took care of each other. >> it was good. i remember trying to touch the ceiling to jump and touch it. i was this high. eventually i got to be able to touch it. >> to dunk it. >> yet, dunkah dunk it. we used to