and matt, who represented kim davis, her attorney, along with a catholic leader by the name of deacon keith, we sat down and discussed what could happen as ramifications should the supreme court decide to literally write law contrary to god's natural law, as well as historical precedence in this country. and mandate same-sex marriage. we were labelled as lunatics, and religious fen attics when we -- fanatics when we predicted this would happen. we made such predictions, dr james dodds, max and others went on the air and communicated far and wide that we could expect religious liberty to be literally curtailed, if not extinguished by this kind of a ruling. everything we predicted came to pass. this is the first of some strong clashes between religious government. >> some of the supporters have based their backing of her stance in the free exercise clause in the bill of rights. doesn't the free exercise clause have to do with a person's actions and activities, and wouldn't it be more directly applicable if, for instance, she chose to marry or not marry someone, isn't that free exercise? >> we