and we have two guests with us to man left is rich deacon rich and on his left cheek and leon welcome to both of you. we're going to talk about deacons and first of all we need to make it clear that the roman catholic the half command is the difference in the provinces the ackerman's. how are you different? >>> and taken is a call to order one of the orders of the church. deacon's priests and bishops it has the remissions of around preaching and sharing the word and charity with a major focus on charity in serving the most needy and deacons often times going to the calling later in life and make be married. >>> that's different. give us a short introduction about what to do? >>> by chavis to coordinate the formation program so it's all about looking at the applicants their called to surf discerning whether they might be potentially deacons and then providing program information over and amounts to five years that includes course work and ministry both and parishes and the needy parts of the archdiocese. >>> i'm a coordinator of ministry and life for deacons and their wives. i watch ov