well what took place in dealey plaza what i believe took place in dealey plaza that day was are simply this a coup d'etat. there were forces in this country multiple forces from the cia to the military industrial complex to the mafia to the federal reserve there the cat jack kennedy was getting a lot of people angry at him and a lot of powerful people the oil guys he was going to take away the oil depletion allowance that's how they make their big money kennedy was going to remove it from them so there were probably a half a dozen major entities that did not like this president had kennedy lived there would have been no vietnam war he was adamant about that he wasn't going into vietnam and so there were people that wanted war always remember war is a racket and war is done for profit making that's why wars are fought read smedley butler is book war is a racket from the two time congressional medal of honor winner i cannot tell you who exactly killed john f. kennedy what i will say is this i'm firmly convinced it was not lehi riaz wald. do i believe judyth vary baker and your relationsh

alexandra, tell me about your grandfather, why was he in dealey plaza that day? >> he was there because he loved the president. he was a russian immigrant who came to this country at age 15 in 1920 and made good like so many others did. and he was an absolutely devoted fan of president kennedy and of course he was also a home movie enthusiast. so he had a new camera, and his office was right adjacent to dealey plaza, so he went there to make a home movie like he had been doing for 30 years before that. >> he was not the only photographer in dealey plaza that day as i learned from your great book. what made him so remarkable in part is that he was able to stay so steady. >> uh-huh. you know he himself said that he could never account for that. he just didn't know how he did it. he said he felt that maybe he froze a little bit when he saw the events unfolding. but i think it was one of those moments when someone just -- he rose to the occasion and all of the strength he had in him came to the fore. and there's no accounting for it i suppose it's a good thing for hi

kennedy was shot as his motorcade passed through dealey plaza in dall. and horrified by what he saw. >> assumed it was a fatal wound. >> lae harva lee harvey oz wald captured and transferred and shot and killed. a special commission concluded oswald acted alone. in 2013, 50th anniversary of kennedy's death. 61% of americans said they believed others were involved in a conspiracy. clint hill believes oswald did act alone and he hopes to learn why. >> perhaps somewhere in that material, will give us some idea as to the motive. >> it is unknown if the thousand of documents to be released this week will solve the many mysteries of jfk's death. joe kennedy iii, great nephew of the former president and current massachusetts congressman supports release of the files, but wishes the white house had handled it differently. >> would have been nice if there was some communion and our family. >> most documents released over the years. one concern about the final batch it could egg night new conspiracy theories to go along with so many others including an unfounded o

30 years before that. >> he was not the only photographer in dealey plaza that day. what made him so remarkable in part is that he was able to stay so steady. >> uh-huh. you know, he himself said that he could never account for that. he just didn't know how he did it. he said he felt that maybe he froze a little bit when he saw the events unfolding. but i think it was one of those moments when someone just -- he rose to the occasion and all of the, you know, strength that he had in him kind of came to the fore. there's just no accounting for it, but i suppose it's a good thing for history that he did. >> with the assistance of the secret service and kodak, he developed the film that very day. and then, this is remarkable to me, takes home the original movie. >> yes, that's right. >> and shows it to your grandmother and i think your uncle, as well. >> my uncle. my aunt refused to watch it. she was so completely distraught. it's something that i addressed in the book so many times. this is such an indication of the times. the secret service was with my grandfather with

in dealey plaza on november 22nd, 1963, the 35th president sat as an open target for assassin lee harveyd. >> president kennedy has been shot. >> reporter: one memo from 1964 says investigators looked into claims oswald was an fbi informant and determined he was not. another shows a deposition of a former cia director richard helms. he was asked about charges the cia was involved. and if there was information that shows, quote, oswald was in some way a cia agent. the document then cuts off. two days after he killed jfk -- >> there is lee harvey oswald. sdmres's been shot. >> reporter: oswald was gunned down while in police custody. the sequence of events fueled intrigue and doubt. that same day, fbi director j. edgar hoover dictated a memo insisting doubt be put to rest and wanted, quote, something issued so we can convince the public that oswald is the real assassin. the release was 25 years in the making after congress passed a law calling for the release of all federal assassination-related records by yesterday. experts say the documents could show if oswald was tracked during his tri

memo that suggested the shooter met a kgb agent in mexico cityjust months before the shooting in dealeymo suggested soviet officials feared a us missile strike after the event. but this is the era of fake news, distrust in the washington establishment, and a president that questioned obama's birth certificate. as long as there are documents held back, redactions still in place, there will be those that simply don't believe the official narrative of the assassination of the 35th president of the united states. joining me from washington is the journalistjefferson morley, contributing writer with newsweek and author of the ghost, which tells the story of how a cia counter—intelligence chief monitored lee harvey oswald from 1959 to 1963. good evening to you. hi. what do you make of the release of the files? what happened yesterday was disappointing. president trump released 2800 records and about 25,000 records remain secret. by law they should have been made public yesterday. that didn't happen. president trump extended the secrecy around the records for another six months. the agencies h

that tragic trip through dealey plaza, the first couple riding through that windy road in dallas in aincoln continental with the top down. the president an open target for assassin lee harvey oswald. >> president kennedy has been shot in dallas, texas. >> reporter: from the get-go, the news was so hard to believe. a single man with a rifle killing the protected leader of the free world. then, just days late end on live television -- >> there is lee oswald -- [ gunshot ] he's been shot! >> reporter: -- the man who pulled the trigger, shot and killed himself in the custody of police officers. all of this sparking intrigue and doubt. >> assassins need payrolls, schedules, times, orders. this was a military-style ambush from start to finish, a coup d'etat with lyndon johnson waiting in the wings. >> reporter: the film "jfk," and it's fictional plot surrounding a conspiracy to kill kennedy, fueling even more speculation, and, in part, leading congress to pass a law to release all federal assassination records by today. experts say some of those secret documents concern oswald, and his trip

the most credible evidence we have all these years shows that lee harvey oswald was the gunman in dealeywas going to do this and encouraged him to do this. you know, he was not the pure lone wolf that the us government tried to portray him as. to my mind, this has always been sort of the secret chapter of the kennedy assassination drama. why did lee harvey oswald, who was a self—proclaimed marxist, a champion of castro's revolution, go to mexico cityjust several weeks before the assassination, where he met with cuban spies, russian spies and other people who, at the height of the cold war, might have wanted to see kennedy dead. there is evidence out there that oswald, while he is in mexico city, openly talked about killing kennedy. the question becomes whether or not any of those people offered to help him or give him encouragement, or offered to help him escape after the assassination. it's very clear that the united states government never wanted to get to the bottom of that because, if they had, it would have exposed just how much more the government had known about the assassin befor

the first couple riding through dealey plaza in the back seat of a convertible.open target for assassin lee harvey oswald. >> president kennedy has been shot in dallas, texas. >> reporter: a nation in shock, finding it hard to believe that a lone gunman had killed the leader of the free world. then two days later on live television. >> there is lee oswald. he's been shot. >> reporter: oswald, shot and killed himself while in custody. the improbable sequence of events becoming fodder for speculation and doubt. >> assassins need payrolls. schedules, times, orders. >> reporter: it was the film "jfk," and its fictional plot surrounding a conspiracy to kill kennedy that pushed congress to into passing a law, calling for the release of all assassination related records by october 26th, 2017. it will know months maybe years before all the documents are thoroughly mined, with most looking for an answer to the inevitable question, did oswald act alone? >> i would like to think that these documents would be a final answer. realistically, that's never going to happen. >> re

november 22nd, 1963, president kennedy and the first lady arriving in dallas, that trajic trip through dealeyza. the first couple of riding through the windy road in dallas. the president an open target for assassin lee harvey oswald. >> president kennedy has been shot in dallas texas. >> from the get go the news was so hard to believe. a single man with a rifle, killing the protected leader of free world. then, just two days later on live television. >> there is lee oswald. he's been shot. >> the man pulled the trigger, shot and killed hill in custody of police officers. all sparking intrigue and doubt. the document from 1964 says investigators looked into claims oswald was working with the fbi as an informant. they concluded he was not. assassins need payrolls. schedules, times, orders. this was a military style ambush from start to finish. this was coup d'etat. >> the film jfk and fictional plot surrounding the conspiracy to kill kennedy fueling more speculation. in part leading congress to pass a law to release all federal assassin record by today. k experts say some documents involve osw

. >> reporter: today, visitors to dealey plaza in dallas are fascinated by what happened. it may take more than these documents to put many conspiracy theories to rest. >>> the department of homeland security is moving ahead with the testing several prototypes of a wall to be built on the border with mexico. there are eight prototypes in southern california near san diego. the testing will take place over the next few months to determine which is best to curb illegal immigration and drug trafficking. there are several hurdles to this. congress has not passed a bill to provide the billions of dollars needed to build the wall. and most of the land in texas the wall would go through is privately owned. >>> let's check back in with sal. i know you are following traffic. are we going to have traffic jams today? >> we will have traffic jams. it will be the benefit bans. metallica. dave matthews. gec. >> go ahead and think about those request. i think it may be metallica- heavy. maybe the dave matthews crew will get up and start hash tagging us like things. you never know. let's

cheryl: i encourage you ever in dallas, texas, go to dealey plaza, you can stand right where lee harveyfor yourself. you can picture how it really happened. >> historic event. cheryl: deirdre, thank you very much. david: kept it basically the way it was back in 1963. cheryl: you can stand on the perch lee harvey oswald stood on. it is bone-chilling. david: some things we'll never understand with all the evidence. >>> meanwhile justice for those targeted for their political beliefs, some, some justice delivered to the tea party and other conservative groups that were singled out by the irs. ♪ retail. under pressure like never before. and it's connected technology that's moving companies forward fast. e-commerce. real time inventory. virtual changing rooms. that's why retailers rely on comcast business to deliver consistent network speed across multiple locations. every corporate office, warehouse and store near or far covered. leaving every competitor, threat and challenge outmaneuvered. comcast business outmaneuver. cheryl: well the justice department reaching settlements with two tea p

. >> reporter: today, visitors to dealey plaza in dallas are fascinated by what happened here but it take more than these documents to put many conspiracy theories to rest. as far as the documents that have not been released, there will be a six month review period to see which may eventually be made public. >>> bart's fleet of the future is behind schedule. >> it's been a slow motion train wreck for a long time. >> 2 investigates look into the company behind the project and the delays in getting new train cars on track. >>> slightly cooler temperatures around the bay area today as we give you a live look at the transamerica building. we will check back in with meteorologist rosemary orozco. accused of obstructing justice to theat the fbinuclear war, and of violating the constitution by taking money from foreign governments and threatening to shut down news organizations that report the truth. if that isn't a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what has our government become? i'm tom steyer, and like you, i'm a citizen who knows it's up to us to do something.

he said he believed he was struck by second bullet which fuelled talk of second shooter at dealey plazan't second shooter, how was oswald able to fire fast enough to hit both kennedy and connolly, given he was seated right in front of the president in the car? despite the intrigue, warren commission report and review by justice department in 1997 agreed that lee harvey oswald acted alone. randi kaye, cnn new york. >> joining me again, tim naftali. obviously the fact that these documents have been delayed is just going to spur further conspiracy theory. >> absolutely. but as i tried to lay out, 5 million pages include things interesting to people like me about cover action but not directly related to the oswald story. found it amazing that many americans on the left and right consider their government to be inefficient. one thing both sides of the aisle agree on. yet many americans also at the same time believe that government is so efficient it could have murdered a president and kept it secret for so long. i think there's a dissonance there. in 1998 we got the best information that the

. >> reporter: today, visitors to dealey plaza in dallas are fascinated by what happened. it may take more than these documents to put many conspiracy theories to rest. as far as the documents that have not been released, there will be a six month review period to see which ones may eventually be made public. >>> cal fire said it does expect to have the four major wildfires fully contained by tonight. fire crews have been working for 2.5 weeks to get to this point. the overnight reports show the atlas fire is already 98% contained. the other three fires are about 95% contained. there is still the warning that the fires could pick up again if there is a shift in the weather. >>> fema is being asked to clarify its immigration policies for fire victims asking for federal aid. five democratic congressman signed a letter saying some of the people eligible for fema aid are worried about being deported. the letter is asking fema to confirm that information from applicants will not be used to seek immigration status of those who applied for their neighbors or family members. the l

. >> at one point he had 16 assassins in dealey plaza.assassins, i don't know how kennedy made it to the autopsy table. >> garrison announced he had discovered a code. >> garrison said jack ruby's unlisted telephone number appears in address books belonging to shaw and oswald. >> you take p and o and use a telephone dial, p gives you 7, o gives you 6. >> he just changed the digits around, added digits, added letters. >> and who is suppressing all of the information, on whose order? >> i'll tell you who is suppressing it. the federal government is suppressing it. >> who in the federal government? >> the administration. the administration of your government is suppressing it because they know that the central intelligence agency -- >> on whose order? >> on the order of the president of the united states. >>> in a unanimous verdict, shaw was found not guilty on charges that he conspired to kill the lae late president john kenkennedy. >> i would sum it up by saying any society which allows a man like jack kennedy to have the top of had his he

rob: that thing at dealey plaza, i had the four cameras there and i had them go around three times aroundlaza. we had three shots, 12 angles. i had picked out all those angled ahead of time. i wantedactly where the camera each time we went around. each time, i give a guy a camera and made him be abraham zapruder. i put a guy on the stanchion. he had a camera and we use that footage where you see the camera come from behind the sign and all of that. interesting part that does not get a lot of attention is what happened immediately after, lbj shuffled off to the hospital and the decision about where to make -- when to make the announcement that kennedy was dead. rob: you saw the skills that lyndon johnson has when he takes charge. when he takes charge, you see a real president in action. moment when they say, kennedy has died. we cut to lyndon johnson and everybody is staring at him and he is sitting in a corner and he just stands up. it is just one shot, we see wo ody standing up as lyndon johnson, and he becomes the president at that point. you see him take charge. that is the confidence

. >> reporter: amateur sleuths have pored over abraham zapruder's 26.6 seconds of film from dealey plazad-guessing the warren commission. was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? these documents may contain some answers. and why did jack ruby, a texas nightclub owner, kill oswald days after the assassination on live television? >> why? why? >> reporter: was he acting alone? what they're unlikely to do -- >> i, john fitzgerald kennedy, do solemnly swear -- >> reporter: -- is to change the legacy of the presidency. yet, joseph p. kennedy iii is sad about the president's decision to release these documents now. >> it would have been nice if there was some communication between this administration and members of our family. i understand the historical value of those documents. i don't dispute that. they also happen to be quite personal, as well. >> reporter: apparently, president kennedy did not consult with the kennedy family before making his tweet. and trump left open the documents may end up staying under wraps. in some ways, it's no surprise that 45th president, who has feuded wit

now do they have to change some things in the official six floor museum in dealey plaza. >> i know theser over this, what is it, 3,000 pages or something like that, i don't know why we couldn't have looked at this before. i'm glad president trump is releasing it now. >> some say is it good to let this stuff out? it was classified. >> it was 1963. >> that's true. >> come on. let us know what happened to our president. >> i just remember, every time, still major freeway shall everybody goes through, leaving downtown, and they still have the x right where it happened. as a little girly used to look and oh, gosh this is the moment, you still think about it, every time you pass through there. >> i want to read all of this stuff for sure. 6:22, carson wentz, he's the talk of the ffl. he had a big game of course. gaining recognition from around the league, and around the world. the big honor given to the eagles quarterback for the second time in his career. all be it a short career. >> markelle fultz side lined for three games with shoulder soreness, watched from the bench as philly hosed houst

i don't think there's going to be evidence pointed to a second shooter in dealey plaza, for example,hink we might learn a lot more about how much the government knew before the assassination about lee harvey oswald and the threat he might pose. >> and what's interesting, just as a note here, 2013 poll shows that only about a fourth polled think that lee harvey oswald acted alone. those conspiracy theories certainly abound. let's take a quick listen to how massachusetts congressman joe kennedy, the nephew of jfk, reacted to the news of the scheduled release. >> these are documents that obviously have been kept behind closed doors for an awfully long time. i absolutely tend towards disclosure of government held documents. that being said, it would have been nice if there was some communication between this administration and members of our family. >> and going to be clear, that's a great nephew there. what do you think? should the family have been involved? >> i think the family has been involved over the years. certainly, there has been ininformation that has been held back over the y

november 22nd, 1963, president kennedy and the first lady arriving in dallas, that tragic trip to dealeylas, the president an open target for shooter lee harvey oswald. >> president kennedy has been shot in dallas, texas. >> reporter: from the get-go, the news was so hard to believe. a single man, with a rifle, killing the protected leader of the free world. then just two days later on live television. >> there is lee harvey oswald. he's been shot. >> reporter: the man who pulled the trigger, shot and killed in the custody of police officers. all of this sparking intrigue and doubt. this newly revealed document says investigators looked into claims oswald was working with the fbi as an informant. they concluded he was not. >> assassins need pay rolls, schedules, times, orders. this was a military-style ambush from start to finish. this was a coup d'etat. with lyndon johnson waiting in the wings. >> reporter: the film "jfk", fueling even more speculation and in part, leading congress to pass a law to release all federal assassination records. experts say some of those secret documents con

assassination that lee harvey oswald was the shooter, probably the lone shooter, that's my view, in dealey plaza. we want to know more about him. we want to know his motive. we're still unsure of his motive thanks to jack ruby, who i consider one of the real villains of the kennedy assassination. had he not shot oswald, it's most certain the police would have gotten his motives rather quickly, by hook or crook rather quickly. >> rose: do we know anything about why jack ruby did it? >> not in these documents we've seen so far. i want to stress, we've got come i want to stress, we've not come close to finishing the work just on these, and the ones that trump held back may well include more information about ruby and oswald and everybody else. that's the good stuff. what we've got now basically doesn't change the time line of the assassination, doesn't change the basics, but it adds some interesting little qualities to it that we weren't fully familiar with prior to this. >> rose: like? >> well, i'll give you an example. one document had been released in part before this, and this particular

the conclusions that we've reached over many, many years that lee harvey oswald was the assassin in dealeys that are still secret and confidential could be released over the next six months. rick: will carr in los angeles, thanks very much. >> there were many people, i was one of those, that hope that, you know, he would rise to the occasion as president and aspire to lead our nation instead of dividing it. and, you know, it's obvious his political model and governing model is to divide. and he has not risen to the occasion, it's very evident to me. i've had personal meetings, personal dinners, personal phone calls when the staff has asked me to call over and intercede on something that was not going to happen -- that was going to happen that was not good for our country. molly: ooh, the battle between senator bob corker and president trump is not over yet. now the republican from tennessee apparently not ruling out a run for president in 2020. trump first went after corker on twitter a few weeks ago, and corker tweeted back calling the white house a, quote: adult daycare center. joining u

originally aired the zapruder film, our producers went through the archives, they found you, 1972, dealeys been preserved obviously as, shooting the sniper's nest that oswald built there. you know the thing about the film, i spoke about it, last week a little bit, so here's the vehicle going this way. oswald is up here. so the vehicle is going this way. oswald shoots but the head of president appears to go backward. if the oswald shootings up and behind you think the head would go forward, it went backwards. we immediately flagged it. i'm one of the reasons these conspiracy theories all the years later because i showed the film. forensic scientists have shown physiologically what happened was absolute predictable reflex, given where that bullet entered the president's neck. ainsley: i can't even listen to what you're saying geraldo. i'm so focused on you. you look like paul rudd in "anchorman". steve: jeans, jacket. you know what? you were an anchorman. brian: one thing during your stand-up, you were pointing and waving. people are recognizing you. they were recognizing you. how are you d

. >> the motorcade begins the ride -- >> reporter: kennedy's ride through dealey plaza national day -ber 22nd, 1963 -- >> president kennedy died. >> with the nation watching, the 35th president was fatally shot. secret service agent clint hill seen here was in the that motorcade that day. >> his face was almost touching mrs. kennedy's face. he was shot in the forehead. it was like an eruption of material. transferred to a county jail oswalt was also fatally shot. >> lee harvey oswalt was the lone shooter. he acted alone. perhaps somewhere in the material will give an idea as to the motive. >> reporter: nearly 54 years later so much remains a mystery like what he knew. but documents will reveal sump details. joe kennedy iii, great nephew wishes the white house would have handled it differently. during the 2016 campaign then candidate trump had his own ideas about jfk's assassination. he made this unfounded allegation, linking senator ted cruz's father to the shooting of the 35th president. >> his father was with lee harvey oswald prior to oswald being, you know, shot. the whole thing i

or conclusions that we've reached over many, many years that lee harvey oswald was the assassin in dealeylaza, but what i think are there are some hints that oswald may have told people or may have had had help particularly on that trip to mexico city. i've been convinced for a long time that in the six days he was there, he did a lot. it wasn't just going to the soviet and cuban embassies, that accounts for several hours of six days. it's pretty clear from what we know right now that he discussed trying to get a visa, he wanted to defect again mainly to cuba, but i think he was hoping the soviet union would help him get into cuba, but we've seen some indications that, for example, there may have been someone riding down with him to mexico city. i don't think it was a pal he met at the book depository. gillian: and that trip, you mentioned, that's not a week before the assassination. >> it was seven weeks. gillian: excuse me, that's what i meant, seven weeks. before i let you go here, what about the rollout in washington politicizing all of this? does that surprise you, the degree to whic

as you mentioned, it was more than 54 years ago when president kennedy rolled through dealey plaza int lincoln continental with the top down making him a prime target fueling so many conspiracy theory, so the documents were set to get today are secret files that at one point the fbi and the cia deemed too sensitive to release, but now they have to be released by law. so what could be so secretive in those files? experts we spoke to think they have to deal with the assassin, lee harvey oswald and exactly what he was doing in mexico city about seven weeks before the assassination when he visited both the cuban and russian embassies in that city. so, why wouldn't they want these documents releasedy well, it could be what did those agent, what did those spy, what did those diplomats know? did anyone down in mexico know that oswald wanted to kill kennedy? did they hear him say that and if so why didn't they share that information before his trip to dallas? >> people will want to know to that. you keep referring to all those conspiracy theories so do you think we'll learn anything from thes

dealey plaza, cold-blooded murder in broad daylight. it shocked the nation.any americans still have questions more than 50 years later. trump confidant roger stone says he urged the president to release everything. >> they're likely to show that we have lee harvey oswald was trained, nurtured and put in place by the central intelligence agency. >> reporter: was lee harvey oswald acting alone or was the cia or the kgb or the mafia pulling the strings? those are the biggest conspiracy theorys. >> what we're going to find out is a lot more about the last few months of lee harvey oswald's life, what he was doing, what he was up to and whether the cia or fbi were picking up additional information about him. >> reporter: but not everyone is happy. the intelligence community for one. >> the president enjoys stirring up controversy and this will definitely stir up nationwide controversy. >> reporter: and the kennedy family says trump didn't consult them. >> i understand the value of those documents. i don't dispute that. they also happen to be quite personal, as well

the investigation into the assassination of jfk but also adding to the mystery of what happened in dealey plaza on november 22nd, 1963. the newly released files show an effort by investigators to chase down every lead. this fbi memo from 1964 disputing claims assassin lee harvey oswald was an fbi informant. finding he was never paid money or ever assigned an official symbol number like a code name. >> there is lee harvey oswald. he's been shot. >> reporter: on the day oswald was shot and killed two days after kennedy this memo from the head of the fbi apparently. j. edgar hoover demanding public doubt be dealt with saying he wants something issued so that we can convince the public that oswald is the real assassin. >> assassins need payroll, schedules, times, orders. this was a military-style ambush from start to finish. this was a coup d'etat with lyndon johnson waiting in the wings. >> reporter: the film "jfk" and its fictional plot surrounding a conspiracy to kill kennedy, fueling even more speculation and in part leading to the assassination records collection act of 1992 which requir

the other question about oswald, not being able to carry out all at dealey plaza, i would encourage youou have dallas, go toe in the texas school book depository, it's been turned seum, you can stand at the sixth floor window where have stood, d to look out this window and imagine received marine, who rifle training, shooting @ president's limousine, moving 12 miles an hour, very slowly. i don't know much about guns, i people who do will tell you that would have been an easy shot for a man trained in marine corps and how to use a rifle. host: we are looking at the where does that fall in what happened to j.f.k.? important piece of evidence in every investigation. clock on the a assassination. you can line it up with the, you timing of the various shots and for the war was key piece in how oswald could have gotten off that hit the limousine. host: plano, texas, democrat's line, you are on with the guest, morning. caller: good morning, pedro, thank you for c-span radio app. wanted to say that that was a mentionedy, the guest the sixth floor museum, i'm documentslot of these do end up at a

involving other people, but more getting to the motive of lee harvey oswald in making the shots in dealeyy. it is great at you for hanging on. thank you so much. everything is running a bit late because of that historic moment in catalonia, but john watson is here with the sport. and some injury worries. yes, harry caine in great form and he will miss the big match tomorrow at old trafford against manchester united, second plane bird, that is a big mess and we will hear from joe root who has been talking about the absence of ben stokes ahead of the ashes series. when you hear england beating in australia by an australian team, your heart sinks, but you are saying on the phone, no, don't give up! yes, most people feel despite england suffering defeat in the opening match of the rugby league world cup in melbourne this morning, it was a reasonable result. they played well but they did suffer that defeat. australia, in fairness, they are the world champions and the co— hosts are the world champions and the co—hosts showing why they are the world's best. the 18—4 defeat shouldn't affect engla