baker. what's your feeling about what's happening on the ground with bernie sanders? is it possible we're looking at 2004 all over again? that he is the howard dean20 and that the establishment candidate wins? or is birney a league of his own? >> bernie's in a league of his own. yells all the time like howard dean but never has gotten in trouble. he's going to be fine. bernie sanders, much as his people don't like this comparison looks more like donald trump than howard dean. lots of republicans didn't think someone lube donald trump could come it and win election. that's what bernie sanders is doing now. the question moderates are thinking about, not just moderates, those that support joe biden, if bernie sanders ends up being democratic nominee maybe more competitive in wisconsin, or in ohio, but do we turn virginia into a purple state? do we turn delaware into a competitive state? what will be lost if you have bernie sanders at top of the ticket? that's what i think everyone's going to think about on this second round. he is an exciting candidate. he's a dynamic candidate, but can he actually go head-to-headky donald truhead- with donald trump