i'm delighted to be joined down the line dean morgan, down the line by dean morgan, who's director atdirector at visa immigration first immigration consultants first migration. dean, thank you so much for joining migration. dean, thank you so much forjoining me. migration. dean, thank you so much forjoining me . this much forjoining me. this situation on the asylum seekers is almost out of control now. now i know you operate on sort of the lawful applications to come to the united kingdom, but many people on the other side of this debate, dean, have been sort of saying, well, we need safe and legal routes and that that will stop this . what are that will stop this. what are your thoughts on that? how do safe and legal routes actually actually work? and do think actually work? and do you think that that would stop or mitigate or dramatically reduce this situation , this crisis ? situation, this crisis? >> i personally don't think it would. and good evening, richard . i mean, problem that you . i mean, the problem that you have asylum. have is to claim asylum. you need make your way to