so is i'm looking forward to that, whatever form that might take. >> deanna mulligan, thank you so much for a very insightful discussion about what we all need to take charge of. john, back to you. >> thank you, janice. thank you the, deanna. this was absolutely a terrific conversation. i've been taking notes the whole time, especially around the learning culture and learning journey and all the things you discussed. again, thanks both of you for participating in this wonderful discussion. ♪ ♪ >> you're watching booktv on c-span2, every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and no, sir. booktv -- authors. booktv on c-span2 created by america's cable television companies. today we're brought to you by these television companies who provide booktv to viewers as a public service. ♪ >> here are some of the current best selling nonfiction books according to "the boston globe." topping the list, in the first volume of his presidential memoir, "a promised land," former president barack obama reflects on his life and political career. then isabel wilkerson explores what she calls a hidden ca