you talk about deb fisher we were the biggest outside group spending in nebraska to make sure that debwon. >> sean: this is important because look, i want to win, karl. and if -- and my fear is that if karl rove is fighting the tea party and conservatives are battling establishment candidates by the way which happened with charlie crist and marco. >> our object is not to be for the establishment. it is to be for the most conservative candidate who can win and if we were involved in 2009 and 21st century in primaries i -- and 2010 in primaries i would suspect we would have been involved on behalf of marco rubio. he was the most conservative candidate that could win. this is not tea party versus establishment. the groups that have gone on with the e-mails and fund raising pitches are groups that are not like cross roads in that they are fund raising entities where most of the money gets sucked up into overhead and goes into the pocket of the person who owns the website or the poe he lit cal action committee. i don't take a dime from cross roads. we raised $328 million last year and haley

in fact, the good news is that all of the republican women senators, except one, deb fisher, and alldemocrat democratic senators have signed on as cosponsors. i will say this, eric cantor we moved him enough to where he's beginning to change his rhetoric rhetoric. that's clearly not enough. he needs to change his policies. we know what the republican leadership is doing right now is they're doing what amounts to a head fake. they want to pursue their extremist policies but dress up the policies in nicer language, less extremist language. women are not fooled. and when it comes to the violence against women act men are with us. the voters will not be fooled. it will be interesting to see what happens in the next election cycle. >> john: sarah palin saw that, and it involved lipstick and pork, i believe. we'll be watching this legislation closely. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> john: pat robertson has weighed in on gays in the boy scouts and his opinion is as moral and you would expect no, it's much worse. that's next. cheap is good. and sushi, good. but cheap sushi, not so

anti-iraq positions that he took, as well as some of the other thing he's did, such as endorsing deb fisher's opponent. >> to that point, roger, the senator was on msnbc earlier today. here what's he said. it has nothing to do with the personal issues laid out by senator mccain. let me play it. >> this doesn't have anything to do with a grudge. this has something to do with picking the best person to be the leader of the largest defense organization in the world. he's not the right guy for dod. he's well to the left of the policies of the obama administration. >> so, michael, the president says he's all in. earlier this week chuck hagel's brother indicated he does not plan to withdraw his name. so where do you believe this will go? >> you know, it's a great question. i think everything you've been airing is actually valid. i this it's true that republicans are angry with hagel partly because they feel like he sort of betrayed the party. it happens on both sides. when joe lieberman said some things the democrats didn't like, he wasn't exactly welcomed into his own party. it's not a way to make

last year in nebraska, relatively inexpensive state but a million dollars is a lot of money for deb fisherlion in missouri. we stopped running the proakin ads, the antimccaskell ads when blew himself up. this is not about e&s deology. i am a huge marco rubio fan. i gave marco rubio my personal contribution because i knew he was an incredible communicator. he was the conservative who would wen and that is what we are looking for, the conservative who can win. >> so karl, in terms of all of those names that you mentioned one sticks out and that is pat toomey and the club for growth which thinks you are try fog go against grass roots conservatives points to 2004 and says why did karl rove urge arlenent bush to support are specter over pat toomey. he would not have switched and been what many people decided to be the deciding vote for obama care. >> my job in 2004 as senior are advisor to president bush was to give him advice on the west way to manage the republican senate caucus. if bush came out against a chairman of the senate judiciary committee helping move forward all of the nominees for