the agreement between michael and debbie, these payments continue. some divorce judgments provide payments terminate on the death -- >> larry: do they continue now? so she is being paid? >> but there's no new payments. these are moneys she was receiving before. >> larry: this is not additional money, not child support money, money from the original divorce agreement? >> correct. nothing additional. >> larry: she will get this money for how long? >> that i'm not sure. >> larry: do you know? >> we're not prepared to say that. >> larry: it was in the original -- it was in the original divorce degree public? >> no. >> larry: no? >> not the divorce agreement but the actual settlement. >> larry: nashville, hello. >> caller: hi. good evening. my question is even though the judge cannot play a role, would he have any type of visitation rights. >> larry: are you talking about dr. klein? >> caller: i'm sorry? >> larry: oh, joe jackson. i couldn't hear. >> joe jackson has a right to visit the children and plans to visit his children. >> grandchildren. >> and hi

he told debbi taylor about it moments ago. >> debbi: how awesome is that when it works?to show too quick. it was at the right time and maybe a little early. everything worked out in our favor. >> debbi: how nice was it to see stammen take you into the 7th? >> oh, it's huge. definitely getting several quality innings -- you know, just because of the fact they have been getting to our guys early and getting in our club gives our pen a little break and pitched a hell of a game tonight. >> debbi: you look for the split tonight and -- gallardo tomorrow. >> y --allardso a good, solid pitcher. you have to get some good pitching early. don't want to see that curveball. >> johnny: he is tremendous, isn't he? >> ray: he is great. >> johnny: y. gallardo. he will be on the mound for the brewers against balester. >> ray: just 24 innings with a torn meniscus. we know balester had problems and that's what to look for tomorrow -- keeping the ball down. >> johnny: for ray nigh, i'm johnny holliday. see you tomorrow at 4:00 here on masn.

but debbie rowe will have visitation. you see the interaction. as an investigator, what do you see in this video? >> you know, when you take a look at the children, they are truly beautiful, young, innocent children who just appear to love their father. but when you take a look at michael jackson, how he lived his life while he was dancing on top of the car during the allegations of child abuse, the way he took drugs according to uri geller and other close friends of his, i don't think, like one of your other guests said, he was probably the greatest father that ever lived. i totally disagree with that. i think it's a part of being a parent to be a good role model. unfortunately, i don't think michael met that standard. >> okay. but we heard some things he said about perseverance and confidence and reaching your goal. to dr. lisa wienstock, psychiatrist. there are a lot of positive things about an endearing father in this video. >> in the video itself, certainly, there are a lot of pieces of evidence that make it seem lik

debbie hersman lives with her family inedriarer h mshedarear sweetheart. he took her to the prom. they both went to virginia tech. and when she goes to a crash site, he watches over the family. >> there's one thing i did right in life. that's when i married well. my husband is fantastic. >> reporter: today we talked to chairman hersmanbout some issues. the biggest travel danger. >> really the biggest danger that faces most americans every day is getting in your car and driving on the highways. we lose 443,000 people every year on our nation's highways. >> reporter: metro safety. do you feel safe riding metro? >> i continue to ride metro. i ride metro regularly. i do several times a week. i ride metro to get around in town. and a number of people with the safety board ride metro. so we all would like to see metro be as safe a ist possibly can be. >> reporter: debbie hersman's car. >> i actually drive a honda hybrid, the civic. i got it in 2002, the first year that they came out with that model of hybrid. and it is a fantastic car. gets really good gas mileage. >> reporter: debbie h

debbie rowe will get visitation. it sounds like it's worked out with the kids' best interests at heart. the fact that the biological parent has very important katherine is named the guardian you put those two things together, debbie rowe's rights, the grandmother's rights, and they made an agreement, they struck an agreement. and they're going to have a psychologist involved as well to help with this transition. >> right. that's all good there. guys, let's talk about the estate. possible worth. i believe it was katherine jackson's attorney basically saying $2 billion. kim, "in touch weekly," if there is a vault of unreleased music, that could be a conservative estimate. don't you think? >> up until this moment, we kept hearing $500 million, $500 million. but $2 billion does seem like a lot. but if you consider how his music has been selling just over the past month, and these are songs everyone knows and has heard of before, they said it could be going back to his motown days still unreleased. that could be great mus

. >> debbi: what is work best for you right now?>> well, it's hitting the strike zone, you know, getting ahead. walk. the team helping me out. >> johnny: same kind of under shirt you were wearing the other day befits him a little better. [ laughter ] it's early on sunday. >> ray: no holes. >> johnny: the hold of the day brought to you by just for men hair color. when you talk about saul rivera, he is the all- time hold leader for this national franchise. 230 games. his record is 12-15. e.r.a. of 3.88. 45 hold and four saves for saul rivera and just as mr. rivera keeps the nationals in the game, you, too, can stay in the game with just for men hair color on this glorious sunday in washington. we'll take a break and ray and i will run through the starting lineups for you. milwaukee has won the first two of the series. nats look to get game one victory today.   >> johnny:  welcome back to nats x that pregame. lopez, the second baseman, in this series 6 for 11. he went 4 for 6 last night, batting .361 as brewer an

debbie, did you have time to think about what i said? just because you don't want reform, it doesn't mean that people around the country don't want it and don't need it. do you think that's a selfish approach or a selfish attitude towards this? >> i never said that i don't want reform, but my opinion -- i think that the system is broken as well. but the approach that is being taken is not reform. it is corporate welfare subsidies for the insurance companies. how does that fix -- how does that benefit anybody? how does that benefit me as a patient? how does that benefit my doctor? that only benefits insurance companies. and if we're to say, okay, well then we have the public option, well, as a small business owner, i have many customers all over the world, and my customers in england, who also have a mandatory insurance program there, have informed me that their national tax rate is 78%. >> yeah. >> how can -- i don't believe the president when he says that this isn't going to cost any more money. >> okay. debbie, we really appreciate you

they call her miss debbie. >> right.never have called her mother. >> they are dealing with the loss of a dad. >> right. they're dealing with a loss of their parent and really what was a single parent. right? that's what we're talking about. they're having to deal with the grief around that at the time that i think what has happened with the media, i think the grief process has probably been a little stunted. hopefully now with the custody battle being resolved, even the camp, you know, katherine and all of them can start to just focus on the kids. >> the best interest of the child has to be upfront. those children have to be safe, emotionally safe, physically, and able to be allowed to be children and live and become whole. >> neil, you have a lot of experience in custody issues. with an agreement in place, they still have to go before a judge. you know this judge. you like this judge. >> yes, i do. >> what are the odds the judge will approve it? >> i think it is a certainty. i think the judge is going to be very happy i

the kids must know who debbie rowe is.'t think miss rowe is going to play a significant role. >> you are talking about kids 7, 11 and 12. they are each dealing with something very different. >> yes. >> their perceptions are very different. >> in a normal grieving process there needs to be honesty age appropriate, but i think what was also out there was the fact they didn't know who debbie rowe was. i think truthfully as a larger society we are dealing what it means to have a surrogate. look, we have jessica parker. this is about what it means to have a surrogate and how do we as a culture and society deal with that role. >> these are blended families. that is the way america is. if the court is going to sanction it, that is great. if they are going to support it, that is great. you saw these children hanging on to their aunt. they are connected. >>> how could a dispute over jackson's estate affect the children? less able to absorb calcium. he recommended citracal. it's a different kind of calcium. calcium citrate. with vit

but what about debbie rowe? >> debbie rowe will get visitation as recommended by a psychologist. there will be no financial payments made to rowe except for the continuation of spousal support payments. >> but before all that was made official, major drama in the courtroom. >> dr. arnold klein's lawyer stepped up at the very beginning of the hearing and said that dr. klein wanted to have a role in the children's lives. and the judge said, on what basis? they went to a side bar, explained themselves, and went back and the judge said no. >> this came out of nowhere and was all so bizarre because of all the talk out there that dr. klein may actually be the biological father of these kids. >> there's still a lot of animosity there and we probably haven't heard the last of that dispute. >>> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. busy downtown shoppers stopped in their tracks when a young mother spotted dragging, repeat dragging, her little boy. he's no bigger than three feet tall. by his neck on a leash across the floor. now, she'll do this in a verizon

jackson's ex-wife debbie rowe will have visitation.re that was made official major drama in the courtroom. a strange request on behalf of dr. around klein. his lawyer told the judge dr. klein wanted to be involved with the children's medical care and education and be a part of their lives. this came out of nowhere and was all so bizarre because of all the talk out there that dr. klein may actual i will be the biological father of these kids. he told cnn "to the best of his knowledge he is not their father but he admitted he donated sperm once and just doesn't know." we are talking about the two oldest children. this is all very bizarre. the judge said dr. klein would not be a part to the custody hearing. his lawyer said dr. klein is not opposed to katherine jackson being the guardian adding "dr. klein has had a special relationship with the children and is looking out for their best interest. he apparently promised michael jackson he would do so. >> interesting. the last person a lot of people would expect. not the first twist or turn.

debbie's with us in pennsylvania. hi, debbie, your thoughts here?aller: hi, mike. >> hey, debbie. >> caller: i was just curious on -- i know state to state laws are different. but why can't they go after her for like profile stalking and deliberately and willingly putting the jeopardy of a minor at risk? where they got her personal information. that's a form of theft i.d. why do they not just instead of going after one thing -- i have four girls. if this was one of my children, i'd be in court filing every charge i possibly could. >> debbie, doesn't this scare you, debbie? this kind of stuff when you have four girls. >> caller: four girls from 23 down to 16. i've tried to teach them to be very smart but when you've got adults that are acting like children it's ridiculous. children have children's battles. adults have adults. they should be separated. >> great job, debbie. let's get back to the original point. anita, what are you seeing here? perry had mentioned child endangerment. what other charges could be thrown at this lady? >> well, the child e

debbie rowe did not fight for custody. this was sort of an approval process they had to go through to get final approval from the judge. so that did happen. the two oldest children did sign the deal. and they talked about the estate after about an hour and 40 minutes, they had a recess. they tried to hammer out issues they couldn't agree on regarding the estate. they came back to the judge and said we can't get this done. the judge was apparently surprised, and the only thing that he did order the big news, at least at this hour, because the hearing will continue, but the news at this hour is he did order the special administrators handling the estate right now to give katherine jackson the contract that her son had with aeg, the tour promoter. this is a confidential document and that has been ordered to be given to her and she has agreed to keep that document confidential as well. >> how much money -- do we have any idea, maybe i should word it this way, do we have any idea how much money we're talking about regarding mic

it's fart of a custody deal between the 79-year-old grandmother and debbie rowe, the mother of two of his kids. >> when they see each other, it will be the first time that they ever met, and michael and debbie rowe were married for three years, sought it just shows you how strange his life was. >> reporter: but the battle over jackson's fortune is just beginning. katherine jackson wants to be named executor of tess state, arguing she's been left in the dark about too many details. jackson named his longtime attorney and a friend in the music industry as the exec you stores. >> she takes 40% under the l. she's a beneficiary. she's entitled to a certain amount of financial information. the judge will decide how much and under what conditions. >> reporter: kathryn's lawyers will be careful not to challenge the will outright. if the lawyers choose to fight the will and she loses, she could end up with nothing. and mrs. jackson is expected to get an allowance for herself and her grandchildren. michael jackson always paid for their expenses. court documents show jackson's estate is worth ab

and we effect people's lives. >> reporte meet debbie. the new chairman of the national transportation safety board. 39 years old, with the ntsb for five years. no stranger to the crash investigation business. >> we have concerns about why the train did not stop. >> reporter: she was at the woodley park metro crash in 2004. the arlington school bus accident in 2005. the maryland state chopper crash in 2008. and that terrible metro crash last june. we will not soon forget what happen order the red line that day. nine people killed. 70 people injured. debbie says her investigators go looking for facts buthee motivated by feeling. >> you see things there that are -- that remind you that these were people that they had lives and families, you know. they have -- people who love them and are waiting for them to come home and didn't make it home. >> reporter: we were at the ntsb headquarters today as chairman continued her move into her new office. it overlooks the national airport. >> there is a cockpit voice recorder. i think had is the big --

what about debbie rowe? the hearing addressed her rights and looked at who should control jackson's estate. but it wasn't all that straight forward. there was a bizarre moment that involved one of jackson's doctors and has a lot of people talking and wondering tonight. randi kaye with the latest. >> reporter: we all are. katherine jackson was awarded full custody. jackson's ex-wife debbie rowe will have visitation. before that was made official, major drama in the courtroom. a strange request on behalf of jackson's longtime dermatologist, dr. arnold klein. his lawyer told the judge dr. klein wanted to be involved with the children's medical care and education and be a part of their lives. this came out of nowhere and was all so bizarre because of all the talk out there that dr. klein may actually be the biological father of these kids. he told cnn "to the best of his knowledge he is not their father but he admitted he donated sperm once and just doesn't know. we are talking about the two oldest children. thi

and as debbie taylor told us last night, jesus flores start to go resume baseball activities, threw for the first time yesterday after severely bruising that shoulder a couple months ago.   that one right in there for todd hilton. >> rob: frac touring the bone inside the shoulder, and that fracture caused him to miss a lot of time and they had to make sure that bone was completely healthy before they aloud him to do baseball stuff. >> bob: todd hilton, two hits and five walks in this series. for the most part, the nationals haven't had much to do with him, if anything. it has kept him from driving any runs in and maybe that's why. hitting nearly .400 career against the nats, almost an r.b.i. per game and a home run every three times out. and that goes back the montreal days as well.   . >> rob: maybe there is something to the fact that todd helton loves fried baloney sandwiches. >> bob: he does? >> rob: yes he does. >> bob: breakfast of champions? >> rob: i think he eats them at the ball park every day. i don't know

and so he turned to debbie rowe, and that's how debbie rowe ended up having his children. >> j.. >> great to see you. >> great to see you too. now let's head back to new york and harry. >>> up next, we will dive right into our series "shark week" here on "the early show." (music plays) wellbeing. we're all striving for it. purina cat chow helps you nurture it in your cat... with a full family of excellent nutrition and helpful resources. purina cat chow. share a better life. what do you say to a spin around the color wheel? to paint with primer already mixed in? test samples instead of can commitments? what do you say we dip into our wallets less and grab a hold of the latest tools out there so we can quit all that messing around with extra steps and get busy turning our doing dials up a notch? that's the power of the home depot. >>> in partnership with the discovery network, "shark week" on "the early show" begins today. what better way so sink our teeth into the subject than cbs news science and technology correspondent daniel sieberg went to the bahamas for an up close and pe

debbi had a chance to talk to the third baseman. >> debbi: ryan, you've been in such a groove at the the series. is this the best you've seen the ball since the streak earlier in the year? >> you go up and down, i think earlier, you know, you run into bad luck, but lately, i've been getting some hits again, and getting on a roll. >> debbi: can you tell us about your plan at the plate? rick said you really try to take control of the tempo, and that's made a difference. >> i think that and swinging strikes is a big thing for me. when i'm laying off giant of the borderline pitches, you know, even if is it is a strike. i'm laying off that pitch and waiting for pitcher to make a mistake. >> debbi: and the team overall has improved, one error in the last 8 games, what do you think has been the biggest difference there? >> i can't tell you. i think we've put an emphasize on that the whole year, and we are trying to play better defense. which is huge for us and the pitchers. we have more chances to win games. >> debbi: one of your closest friends, nick josh johnson was traded on friday. did

but the lords have now decided with debbie.the director of public prosecutions have said he will publish an interim policy on assisting suicide abroad by the end of september and then it'll be opened up to consultation. one former lord chancellor said the dpp is effectively creating new law. >> already the director of public prosecution's been saying, i'm not going to prosecute the compassionate assister of the loved one, but what this judgment is doing is saying, right, if that's de facto position, if that's the position in practice, let's reflect it now, in policy statemts that have to be given -- >> reporter: about 115 people have ended their lives at the clinic in switzerland. most helped by others. and so far none of those have been prosecuted. although people have been questioned by the police. back in 2002 diane campaigned for a commitment that effectively no one assisting a suicide would be prosecuted. but in that case the house of lords ruled against her. this latest ruling will only apply to those helping people trave

debbie rowe will have visitation rights as to the two children she had with michael jackson.hird one she's really not laying any claim to. it will all be worked out via a psychologist who's going to help to determine how much time debbie rowe should have with the kids but it is a done deal and as for any money nothing changed hands in this agreement however, there was an existing spousal support agreement that debbie rowe had with michael jackson that is still in affect. >> we understand on a different note you have uncovered the jackson's doctor, conrad murray, has storage facilities in vegas. do we know if they have been raided in addition to his home in vegas and clickic in vegas? >> it is interesting. i hate doing this anywhere before we do it on the website but we actually haven't gotten around to it yet because thicks have been so crazy so i guess i will tell you now. yes, it was raided and we found out it was the authorities went there. they didn't take anything. and the raid was fairly recent, we believe last week. so bottom line is there was a storage facility just l

out to the lines, debbie in california, hi, debbie. >> caller: hi, nancy, i love that you speak up for people who can't always speak up for themselves. that's a wonderful trait you've got. >> thank you. i appreciate it. the reason i'm being a little lighthearted in this case is nobody's dead, nobody's dismembered, a very shrewd police chief, matthew immler, managed to nip this in the bud thanks to a confidential informant, not so confidential anymore, and they got the whole thing on video. and i guarantee you, debbie in california, all these phone calls, you know, the assassin would have long phone call conversations with her, i guarantee you she's not telling me, but that had to be being recorded. so debbie, what's your question tonight? >> caller: i want to know why is this woman, who's accused of murder, out on bail for only $25,000. i would be scared if i was her husband. >> i asked chief matthew immler that last night. he's a standup guy. he said the judge is in a much better position to make that call than him. he defended the judge. but let's throw it to the lawyers. susan moss,

. >> debbi: so far he is putting on a show. has been a key part of this game, a double and scored on the suicide sweep. i'm joined by mike's parents, his mom arlene and his father figure throughout his life. i have to ask you. being a baseball mom and a single mom at the time, how was it raising mike and his brother t.k. >> well, it was very challenging but i encourage all single mothers to keep going and never give up because you never know what the end result is. i'm very proud of him. >> debbi: i know you have told mike not to give up, too. stan, you coached him along the way and helped him with football and baseball and you were the football coach at duke university and you also play in the csl. what advice did you give him as he tried to make it through the professional ranks? >> basically, always work hard and keep a good attitude and if you have a bad day, forget about it and learn from it and move on. >> debbi: okay. >> that's basically what he has done. >> rob: >> announcer: he has done a great job. thank you for your

debbie rowe's getting spousal support, which is very different from child support. two very different things. but my perspective, richard seems to be a little skeptical about this thing. i have to tell you, when they got together this week, and i think this is a big deal, they all agreed, let's get a psychologist involved. let's see what's best for the children. >> because the children don't really know her that well, right? >> they don't -- you know what -- >> there's no interaction between mom and kids. >> they know debbie, they she's been part of their lives, but what's going to result as a function of this agreement which presumably will be approved in court on monday is that she will become part of the lives, again, guided by the psychologists. i think it's a win-win for all three children. >> avery, it's a lose-lose. when these children are able to digest the fact that their mother was a test tube for them and sold them for $8.5 million, they're going to walk around with that the rest of their lives. >> that's a very cynical approach to this. i think, my view,

but debbie rowe will get visitation rights. this is going to be determined by a child psychologist that they're going to get involved. the judge tomorrow has to sign off on this. nobody expects that this will not happen because obviously it seems like they've worked really hard. they delayed this custody hearing several times. it seems like all parties concerned are happy with this. debbie rowe is not getting any additional money other than the spousal support she was already getting with michael. that's part one of the hearing. tomorrow, also, the issue of michael's estate. katherine jackson would like more control over michael's estate. she is now saying apparently that she is being kept in the dark by the temporary executors of the estate, john mcclain and john branca, saying she hasn't been included in decisions, hasn't been able to look at documents and see various information. that's what we'll see tomorrow. what's interesting is that her lawyer is saying his estate is worth something like $2 billion. now the lawyers clai

debbie hersman was the face of that investigation. like many members of the ntsb who live here and often ride metro, she says this one hits home. >> i have had the opportunity to meet with some of the families. just knowing the devastating impact that has gone on in the lives of parents and children, people who were loved very much. >> within minutes, debbie hersman was driving to the crash site from downtown office. she quickly became the of calm strong voice of the june 22 crash. sometimes at odds with local leaders. >> we need to be able to work towards a fleet with others, but we also need to be theruth tellers -- able to work cooperatively with others. >> we caught her moving into her new office as chairman of the ntsb. >> memories of 2006. >> she has been a board member for five years, but at 39, she is one of the youngest chairman ever. she says being the mother of three young boys keep sir focused on victims and families when tragedy strikes. as for metro, she vows this investigation will get to the bottom of metro's problems,

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in the last hours, katherine jackson and debbie rowe announce a custody deal but it's not over yet. the fate of jackson's children finally resolved. the legal battle rages on over jackson's empire, now estimated at 2 billion, with a "b," dollars. >> it's simple when it comes to the children. the will is what it is. it's a will from my brother. that's the way he would have done it. that's the way he did it. >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> do not touch me! >> apparently through this agreement, i'm told she will have visitation rights but will not have custody of these children. there will be no money involved for debbie rowe in this custody agreement. >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> are you ready to get your butt kicked? don't [ bleep ] touch me. >> tonight we go live to boise, idaho as the desperate search goes on for an 8-year-old boy. where, oh, where is robert manwell? >>> still no sign of robert anywhere. people are still looking, not giving up hope. >> we have a single focus. that's to find robert. >> according to police, the family last saw the 8

. >> reporter: that's what happened the first time debby price took an over-the-counter medication. >i started trying new things, you know symptoms. >> within a period of days her entire skin, from head to toe, just molted like a snake. just peeling off. >> reporter: aspirin, tylenol, penicillin, cold medicine, cough syrup, price tried it and the reaction be cam more severe as she got older. and the doctors were stumped. >> that is not a typical drug allergy. people are allergic to a class of medicine. >> reporter: the only common ingredient in those drugs, dye or color additives. the doctor thought that was the answer. so when price came to her with seasonal allergies in march she thought allegra-d would be safe. dye free and didn't contain any ingredients that caused reacted in the past. but the doctor was wrong. >> the skin was really hot to touch. really blistery. this time, i had swelling in my tongue. which never happens. >> price was admitted to the hospital because once again her skin peeled off. highly dangerous because that leaves the body without a protective layer leaving

and michael and debbie were married three hours so it shows how strange his life was. the battle over his fortune is just beginning. catherine wants to be named executor of the estate, arguing she's been left in the dark about too many details. in a 2002 will, jackson named his attorney and friend in the music industry as the executors. >> he takes 40% under the will. she's a beneficiary and entitled to a intern certain amount of financial information. the judge will decide how much and under what conditions today. >> catherine's lawyers will be careful not to challenge the will outright because it contest tapes a no contest clause. if the lawyers fight the will and she loses she could end up with nothing. mrs. jackson is expected to get an allowance for herself and her grandchildren. mike squall jackson always paid for their expenses. court documents show jackson's estate is worth $500 million. and the battle over his fortune is hardly a private family matter with media from all over the world watching. manuel gallegus, cbs news, los angeles. >>> o.j. simpson and a fo

any fireworks over the custody agreement between katherine jackson and debbie rowe, or the fireworks between katherine jackson and those two executors of michael jackson's will and estate at this point? >> i think if you're going to one pick to really pay close attention to, you'd want to do the probate hearing. the custody agreement pretty much taken care of, alex. depp by rowe's going to have meaningful visitations with the kids. katherine jackson will retain custody, as stipulated in the will. but as far as that probate hearing, that's where we get down to money, we get down to how much cash on hand will katherine jackson have moving forward before the estate settles. a lot of people are saying, hey, she got 40% of michael jackson's estate, that's a lot of money, but that's a lot of money after all the debts and liabilities have been settled. katherine jackson knees some cash now. she's raising michael's kids and michael did provide for her on a daily basis for her living expenses when he was alive. i think you're going to start to see maybe tempers flare a little bit more on kath

debbie rowe had to fight for custody in exchange for the right to visit the children. how and when that happens will be established by a child psychologist. >> if i think the agreement takes into account, a developmental issues of children, psychological interests of these children, especially. it allows them the opportunity, maybe, to have a relationship with their mother, and does so without litigation or publicity and more trauma to an already traumatized situation. >> if the custody case may be little more than a legal formality, but the state hearing could provide fireworks. lawyers for katherine jackson have filed several petitions with the court and have talked publicly about being left out when it comes to key decisions about the state. they are expected to ask the judge to force the two men named as executors' of his will to answer questions under oath about business agreements involving the estate. >> katherine jackson is beneficiary. she has no power as executive. she will say she wants more power, but i don't think the judge will give it. >> $500 million or

. >> the big swings of the day, josh willingham, he's with debbi taylor. >> debbi: bob, yes, it was tough with maholm early on. what adjustments did you make? >> he was throwing a sinker, and when you have a sinker ball, you have to concentrate on -- -- just try to stay through it. that's what i did. i was able it hit it out. >> deb better: -- debbi: and you got an insurance run. what's been the key to you hitting well? >> i can't pinpoint. i wish i could. just trying to come out and play hard and get at-bat as much as i can. that's all i can control, after been getting good pitches, they have been finding holes. >> new york good outing by balester. what did you see out of him? >> i think the key with collin, when he gets ahead, he's very effective, and he was able to get ahead, and make them hit his pitch. that's the key when you talk about starting pitchers making them hook their mitch. >> and you know what it's like to struggle. what was it like to -- >> we've been through it, through the slumps, the only thing to do is keep battling and showing up. he was able to drive in a key run la

but most importantly, what we got now are visitation rights for debbie rowe. she's going to be able to visit with her two kids. that will be prince and paris, for those who don't know, and she's going to do it in the company of a child psychologist, or child psychiatrist. so it's going to be the type of visits that are really controlled. that are respectful. that are in the best interest, especially, of the kids. so, a lot of people are saying, why does she want to be part of their lives now? you know what, that's irrelevant as far as i'm concerned. the bottom line is, the court, the family, debbie rowe, they're all trying to do what's best for paris and prince. >> okay. why did katherine jackson want to be part of the controlling of the estate? there are two people in place to do that already. >> two people in place to do it according to a will signed in 2002, alex. remember, michael jackson told people near him that he had new wills, and some of those wills didn't include the two people who are now in control of his estate. john branca and john maclean. so k

she's not a pretty mermaid fish, but a marble headed -- debbie rowe. those kids going to practice every day. >> i don't know. i think that's kind of obnoxious. she's not ugly. >> no, no, she's hideous. [ laughter ] >> i think it's a very -- >> oh, my god, i love your braces. look at her! where are you from? you are so funny! [ laughter ] >> sounds good! sounds good. now beat it. >> that person who is most deserving of custody is katherine jackson. >> she's getting custody. baby. >> i'm going to work. ♪ ♪ i've got to go. [ bleep ] out of here! >> custody, custody, custody! custody, custody, custody! >> free the jackson three! free the jackson three! >> jake -- >> jake what? >> jake byrd. >> it is fun to be a cop? >> it is. >> can i play with your guns? >> not today. [ laughter ] >> you don't take meditation -- medication, do you? >> i wish. >> nothing prescribed, anyway. >> we have a couple people from the media that said you have interrupted press conferences before and have you done that? >> i haven't interrupted press conferences, but i have been at

jackson and debbie rowe were on the exact same page.s attorney also commenting on the deal saying their parties engaged in a dignified discussion that resulted in a dignified outcome. it was the best interest of the children. attention now turns to jackson's estate. today a judge will consider who will have permanent control. for now, jackson's long time personal attorney and john maclaine, a music industry executive and long time friend have temporary control. katherine jackson not at all happy about that. she wants them to answer questions under oath if they are fit and able to administer the estate. cnn's senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin says katherine jackson is walking a fine line. >> i don't think she has any right. if michael jackson had wanted her to be his executor, he could've named her, he didn't. this, i think, is not a legally defensible action she's taking. very carefully she is not contesting, she's asking for documents, she's asking for certain information, but she is not -- you know, she's no dummy. >> and you heard

janna, the details of the agreement related to debbie rowe with katherine jackson.say katherine jackson wants custody. debbie rowe will get some visitation, also getting no extra money by the reports we hear. i know you've practiced in california in terms of the california law, the biological mother has all these primary custody rights. but under these circumstances, will this be the last we see and talk of debbie rowe from a legal perspective? >> absolutely not. it might be the last for right now. now they've come to an agreement and that's good. but for as long as these children are still children, she will always have the opportunity to go back in front of a judge and ask for other things such as more visitation and child support in the future if she chooses to. this is the end now, but not the end forever. >> okay. well, it's not the end for you guys either. we'll see you in a bit. >>> a raging fire in austin, texas, takes down a local flea market. the blaze burned about 200 booths. investigators are looking at whether electrical wiring may have smashed the fire