we just talked to debbie dingell.ef of staff, who is going to have a phone call, assuming you might be on that phone call. how do you convince the folks that are unconvinced that this is worth it? >> well, we're going to have some real questions to be answered. whether or not this actually does what it's promised to do. i think one of the big challenges is not just the concessions the president gave up in this bill. it's legitimizing negotiating on the debt ceiling as a tactic for the future. and that's pretty scary. when you're playing russian roulette, sooner or later, you're going to get unlucky. that's what's happened here. this implication for future administrations is going to be very concerning because at some point, we are going the default if we continue in this pattern. >> there's a lot of stuff and we've enumerated it throughout this hour, that democrats don't like. some having to do with the environment. some having to do with some of the work requirements. especially for snap recipients. what's the positi

debbie dingell. >> aishah, good to be with you. aishah: i'll pick up where rich left off on the debt ceiling and the meeting on tuesday. i want to play a quick bite from the president last night where he is ahead of this meeting. >> i've said to the republican leader, here is the deal. take the debt limit-- >> okay, congresswoman is doesn't sound like there's going to be a lot of negotiating going on, and it sounds like he is set as to what he wants and this might perhaps be more of the same. >> look, we cannot not pay our bills. so,we're going to have to figure it out. this is not going to be a pleasant month, i can already feel it. people cannot big their grave so deep that we cannot get out of them. we cannot default on our bill. the immediate result of that, what it would be on everyday working americans, increased interest on auto loans, credit cards, mortgages, delayed social security payments, i could go through the list, so they're going to meet them and the bill passed in the house is totally unacceptable. you were talking

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debbie dingell certainly isn't it. congressman harder just said this is about avoiding a catastrophic default. is there anything you can see that is a good thing for the democrats, a win? >> well, i think in some ways, chris, if you think about what isn't in this bill and what could be in this bill and what could make it a lot worse, i know that's not generally a positive selling point, i would say economically avoiding the debt default is going to be huge. i think politically it's really important for democrats and for this white house not to have the chaos of that debt default ripple across the economy because, like it or not, whether the republicans hold this hostage or not, some of the blowback is going to come on president biden and democrats if a default happened. that's just the reality of what it was going to be. i think in some ways not having that political chaos, not having, most importantly, that economic chaos, is a big deal for democrats. >> so rick, this whole thing is a huge test for kevin mccarthy as w

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debbie dingell told msnbc that the deal contains things she would not vote for under normal circumstances and had cwill con asking questions before she decides thous dec decides how to vote for the bill ralph norman of south carolina tweeted that it was insanity while chip roy of texas on twitter called it a turd sandwich other republicans tout a new cbo estimate that projects that the deal will cut more spending than initially was anticipated. >> and brie, you just mentioned members on the extremes of both sides of the aisle that aren't too thrilled with this what are the next steps here as it tries to make its way through congress >> reporter: so, phillip, the house rules committee is expected to vote on the measure later today. it consists of nine republicans and four democrats and includes some hard-line gop members, such as thomas massey of kentucky and two of the aforementioned critics of the bill, congressman norman and roy despite the possibility that these members could kill the plan if it also does not receive democratic support, speaker kevin mccarthy told reporters on monday t

you played debbie dingell who said she will not be a rubber stamp. >> reporter: it is hard to know howhe details congress member dingell needs to be walked through the areas where she has trepidation or is she willing to walk through to pass it. there is a lot of outreach by officials who negotiated the deal democrats have more opposition than republicans the hard line freedom caucus had said anything less than the bill they passed in late april was not enough for them. clearly, leadership was taking that into account when they negotiated this. >> kayla tausche live from d.c thank you. as kayla spelled out, there are hurdles for the deal to clear. let's take about the next step with steve pavlick steve, great to have you here. >> thank you, frank. >> i think we have to pick up where kayla left off the deal has to get through congress and the rules committee. that is where a lot of people are saying it could get tied up. how concerned are you about the deal making it through congress? >> i'm not that concerned. i think it will sail through the rules committee. maybe i shouldn't use the

as you can see here the splits are largely along party lines michigan congressman debbie dingell spocklier on box. >> look we cannot, not pay her bills but were going to figured out. this is not going to be a pleasant month i can arty feel it. people cannot dig their graves us are deep they cannot get out of them. going to say the republican bill that passed in the house is totally unacceptable. >> and bottom-line democrats want to see the debt ceiling raised without any spending cuts republicans want those cuts. just a reminder in the u.s. is now over $31 trillion in debt payments alone on that debt could approach the size of the defense budget. prince and biden test figure kevin mccarthy here at the white house on tuesday to hopefully resolve this progress will see if any progress is made this week. lucas tomlinson, thank you. eric: molly coming a house that was the house of representatives they tend to infuriate voters when they give themselves a pay raise. how'd you like to be able to vote yourself a pay raise? instead they have all but given themselves a raise. chief congressional

you can see the splits are along party lines, for those joining us, aishah, michigan congressman debbi dingelllast hour. great interview. >> look, we cannot, not pay our bills so we are going have to figure it out. this is not a pleasant month, i can feel it. people cannot dig their graves to deep that they cannot get out of them. the republican bill that passed in the house is totally unacceptable. lucas: bottom line the democrats want debt ceiling raised without conditions and the republicans want cuts to go with that, remember, the u.s. government more than $31 trillion in debt and the interest payments alone in debts could soon be bigger than the defense budget. aishah: some are doubtful. we will see much come out of the meeting. we will see, lucas tomlinson live at the white house, thank you. rich: april job's report shows 250 jobs added with unemployment rate with 3.4%. for more on what the numbers tell us about the state of the economy we are joined by president and ceo of job creator's network alfredo ortiz. alfredo, thanks very much for joining us this morning. >> absolutely, rich, th

. >> congresswoman, i was speaking with your colleague, debbie dingell yesterday who was pretty upsetwere even in this position feeling as if they were being held hostage by the republican party, that had really gotten to the end of the road as this negotiation was being made. how do you avoid this situation in the future, or is this just how washington works? >> well, it better not be because what we want to do, first of all, is to end this even opportunity for holding hostage. we should just have -- end the debate over paying the bills of the united states of america. that it should be automatic, that it should be like, you know, during the trump administration he passed a debt ceiling three times without any hullaballoo. we should just make it a rule like the 14th amendment of the constitution says, we have to pay the bills that are incurred and there should not be any vote. we should not have to have any vote. so when the democrats take the house of representatives back, which i think we will in the next election, one of thefirst things we should do is to drop the idea of a vote o

. >> let's bring in house democratic congresswoman who has been critical of the deal, debbie dingell. congresswoman, good morning. >> good morning to both of you. >> we'll get into the energy components in a moment. that's a big deal to you, obviously. we just saw moments ago your republican counterpart congresswoman nancy mace of south carolina just said she is gonna vote no. how are you going to vote on this compromised debt limit deal? >> you know, i'm still undecided. we can't, not pay our bills. we cannot -- i think many of us right now are feeling -- are very angry we have been held hostage, that we find ourselves in this situation. i do not believe compromise is a dirty word. but we are still -- i spent my entire day yesterday in meetings with various white house officials and other colleagues trying to understand what the implications were. so i am going back to the hill today, going to meet with a lot of of my colleagues and get to where we need to go. i know we have to pay our bills. that is probably the most overriding thing driving me. but as i said yesterday, there are pa

i want reaction to this with debbie dingell. come woman, very good to see you. what do you make of where talks stand now? where do you think they're going? >> i've been in markup all day. i have read that kevin mccarthy says that he hopes that we will complete negotiations today. we are -- i don't believe we should go home until this gets resolved. you know, i'm listening to everybody talk here. i'm one of those people that reminds people polls are not necessarily reflective of where people really are. i'm the one that told people that donald trump would win in 2016 and everybody thought i was crazy. all of us believe that we've got to address the spending problem. you know, kevin mccarthy who i respect, i work with, says we won't increase revenue. the fact of the matter is that we have this deficit that we do now because we did cut billionaires taxes and we did cut corporations who by the way the last tax bill that we passed that made the cuts incentivized companies -- >> neil: congress woman, you don't think the $5 trillion spending had anything to do with the

debbie dingell from michigan is one of the house members who said that we had another democratic housewo senators who say that they agree they should negotiate. after all senator biden negotiated on the debt ceiling. vice president biden negotiated. why isn't president biden negotiating. david: congressman, i want to shift gears to the border, because it is exploding. title 42 is expiring in 48 hours. the house gop rallying around a sweeping border bill. where do things stand on that? >> well, the bill that we are going to pass this week, the secure the borders act, that is what needs to be, that is what needs to be passed. again just like with the debt ceiling, this administration has no plan. when this expires in 48 hours, less than 48 hours now when title 42 expires we'll have a mess again. they said they will send some troops down there well, that's great but what happens when all of these people start coming across this border? we've had five million people who have crossed the border since this administration took place. million got-aways who have crossed it, enough fentanyl been

i caught up with democratic congresswoman debbie dingell exactly what democrats want here. everyone seems to agree spending is out of control. when i had her on my "your world" fox news channel i tried to get clear what are you open to duty yourself. you're against, republicans are talking, hakim jeffries was open spending freeze. are you okay with that? >> i'm not giving you a exact number, but i'm opened understanding we have to address spending in the country. neil: that is not what i asked, congressman. you are open, just to be clear some sort of a spending freeze which would be for all government spending over at least the next two years, are you open to that? >> i'm not sure -- neil: i seem to get the sense from hakim jeffries he was open to that. a lot of progressive pile on him. are you? >> i'm not for a 2% cut straight across the board. i think there are programs have to continue to exist. but i do believe that we should -- neil: 2% increase. i'm sorry discuss to be clear, 2% increase. you're quite right with inflation is actually a cut. you would not be open to th

. >> sandra: we have not seen progressives completely unified in their opposition, debbie dingell from she said she is not happy but will ultimately vote, i guess you know if neither side is happy, sometimes people say you are at the right place. aishah, can you give us an update? >> hey there, sandra and john. speaker mccarthy is expected to walk through here and head to the floor to open the floor for the day, and then we are expecting the debate to start some time about after 7:00 tonight, about 7:15. they will first take a vote on the rule that will be a big test to see how many republicans will be on board for that. and then they will vote on this bill. speaker mccarthy and those republicans around him have been very confident all day long that they will have the vote. they will not have their entire conference. they know that, and we know that as well because at least 35 republicans have already come out and said that they will be a hard no on this, could that change in the next 5 to 6 hours, of course that could. depending on what kind of dealings might be happening behind close

congresswoman debbie dingell from michigan.o my republican colleagues i'm staying i'm missing my goddaughter's wedding because i have to do a job. where are you. she was set to official united states your goddaughter's wedding over the weekend. she canceled those plans over the debt ceiling. wonder if she will get on a plane now because there is no one in washington. >> lawrence: she is one member. one member. from what i understand she is not one of the people that's negotiating this deal as well. so, i love the optics of it. it sounds good. but, okay. we know exactly what is happening. >> ainsley: she is one member. she is one member. >> lawrence: one member and we all know the dingells have a residence in washington. >> joey: grandstanding. whoa is me, look at my sacrifice. >> lawrence: known to be what we say as a moderate "i'm not buying it." fox news polling over 50% of the country wants congress to cut some of the spends. we got some new polling about the condition of the economy. >> joey: wow. >> ainsley: look at that.

joining me now is one of those democrats, congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. always good to see you. we heard scott perry express his frtration about the process saying he feels the house has been forced into a position of negotiating against itself. you have expressed frustration saying you are held hostage by this process, now that you have had time to read the bill and ask questions, do you still feel that way? what is your assessment? >> first of all i feel like we are being held hostage. the country cannot default. period. the consequences are scary, intimidating, we would be harming our economy for years to come, seniors, veterans, children, i could go through the list, the fault is not an option, that is where we are being held hostage, we are one of the people has read all of the pages of this till and i have been asking questions for three days and there are things in this bill i would clearly not support. i believe when you talk about the environmental provisions which are the white where they even part of this? people focused on the west virginia pi

that's something that the late congressman, the husband of the congresswoman debbie dingell helped otheremocratic side. on the republican side, there's anger on the far right that this agreement would suspend the debt limit for as long as it will, and also did not go far enough in terms of spending cuts. some are warning that mccarthy's speakership could be at risk. >> how much confidence do you have in the speaker right now? >> none, zero. what basis is there for confidence? >> is the speaker lying about the way he's characterizing this bill? >> yes, he's lying. if there were to be a departure from that specific commitment to have a majority of the majority, then i think that would be trouble for the speaker. >> reporter: so, what congressman gaetz was saying is that if there are a fewer than a majority of house republican who's vote for this, then that could lead to an effort to oust mccarthy from the speakership. but, at the moment, there's confidence among top republicans that there will be a majority of house republicans and some democrats to push it over the finish line tomorrow. >