. >> also a message from debbie dingell for you when we have a moment, about that. >> oh, oh, boy! >> so -- no, no, no. so does debbie think that biden's going to lose michigan because if she does, i mean, i will bet her, like, a couple of detroit tiger baseball tickets against red sox tickets that biden's going to win michigan if he goes up against trump. >> so i think biden's going to win michigan if he -- i think biden is going to win re-election, win michigan, win wisconsin, win pennsylvania. but it does mean it's going to be easy or by five points. what debbie wants you to know is, she says, i'm not bed-wetting. i'm in union halls, in union halls is really, it's concerning. the president of the uaw is, uaw's up for grabs. trump spoke with them. biden spoke with them. they're trying to win them over. i still think in the end this is going to be okay, because democrats do get it together, but, you know, these states are concerning. how you asked questions about the third-party candidate matters a lot. >> well, you know, i feel really good about the third-party states. again, i fe