let's get more on the malware. joined by debbie hines, former baltimore city prosecutor. i am currently illegal adolescent, she's joining us live via skype, from baltimore in the us state of maryland. miss hines, great to have you with us on al jazeera, so judge to fact the jury saying i am proud of you. and without civic minded citizens, like you, a system of justice could not function. there was one black person on the jewelry, i believe 9 white jewels and 2 ations is this guilty verdict significant in light of the makeup of the jury. yes, because really, to be quite honest, i was shocked at the jury, came back with a verdict of guilty when the highest count basically and slightly because of the makeup of the jury. i mean, it's difficult enough in any case that you've outlined when there's been a white police officer who was killed a black person. but then when you enter into the court room and you only have one black person, in this case, one black woman, one the jury, it just doesn't look like it's going to end well. and that, coupled with the fact that the jury was o

let's bring in trial debbie hines and trial attorney julie rendon. let's break this down here.mer assistant a.g., you saw that testimony, what's going through your head? does it help or hurt prosecutors? >> it could go either way. one of the things that's really bad, one of the things we know, what the jury is left with a whole weekend to think about potter's testimony before they have deliberations and jury instructions on monday. and potter is basically, you know, taking a page out of the playbook of kyle rittenhouse and other people who have testified in situations such as michael slayer, the police officer who shot and killed walter scott. she got on the stand and cried. but the intent does not matter. and that is what the prosecution will argue, it doesn't matter that she was upset. and her testimony it being a chaotic situation. well, that is what we would expect, is that police officers should handle chaotic situations and know the difference between a taser and a real gun. i'm not so sure how much her testimony would help. but in most instances defendants do not take th

debbie hines is a form of baltimore city prosecution. and currently illegal out of this, she says there's still a lot more to be done to achieve racial justice in the us. it's just rare that police officers are even charge. what for a killing, let alone convict if they are charged for it kill way and then even after being convicted, it's even rare still that they get any significant gel time for that conviction. i don't think that any police officer tonight to be quite honest the scanner concerned because cam potter was convicted of manslaughter. i think that where the change will come about it's not going to necessarily be in the court room. it has to be through police reform in this country. what justice looks like is people like dante wright would still be living today. he would not have been stopped and killed because he had an air freshener hanging above his window in his rear view window. and his car, that's what one of the things that justice looks like justice looks like police will not be get jittery when they stop the black per