. >> we suggest burgess mcswain along with debbie krauter and julius concocted the system. it was at her prompting. because in the late '80s there were a number of really weak students on the basketball team. she loved those guys. she wanted to help them anyway to seem trite tumor. slush fund eases classes she could for them. it turned out that some of them were easy indeed. and after going through a year or two expanding essentially with these courses with achilles and debbie we believe that they basically systematize golfing by the early '90s. >> so there were easy courses in the charcoal to? >> yes. >> paper classes -- >> not paper classes. >> there were independent studies. spent we identify them. spin they had to take what, nine hours at least? >> twelve. into six hours in the summer session usually. >> there are always easy classes but most people's transcripts are not littered with easy classes, you know. spin there were meetings and test and you have to go okay and maybe it's not fraudulent but speed it's just not isolated to the sports. >> that's true to. >> it's a