we are also joined by debby lerman from the san francisco human services med network. and opponents of the measure. thank you both for being here. i would like to start with some opening remarks. we'll start with you, first debbie. >> thank you, maxine. our organization has officially opposed this measure. last year we worked very closely with the board of supervisors, which was amending the current legislation on direct lobbyists and the board shows unanimously to exempt nonprofits from the legislation because of the potential showing chilling effect on nonprofit advocacy. the city relies on a diverse strong nonprofit sector on the front lines of healthcare, safety net environmental issues and other social issues. this legislation this ballot measure, will cause nonprofits to be afraid to engage in advocacy. i have worked for many many years with nonprofits that have misconceptions around the concept's role was. many things are not even allowed to lobby the irs increases its scrutiny of nonprofits that do expensive lobbying. the foundations hesitate to fund him and we

whether or not the reporting requirements can be met at this very chilling effect, which assured debbie lerman has explained, on nonprofit advocacy. is the intimidation that is imposed by this which needs to be discussed openly as part of these interested party meetings and explain that it doesn't just apply equally to all organizations. there's some very small organizations that are going to be completely chilled out of our public policy debates and that is what were primarily concerned about here. but, we understand the good intent. we want make sure there's no unintended consequences as a result of good intent. i will tell you in the course of proposition c which of course won handily there were 29 organizations that took a position opposing the measure. was a principal position at after much with its intent but again the measure was an design one of to hit its target. 29 organizations, many of the nonprofit some if you get a be having outreach in asian parties at minimum the story of mrs. shelby on your list but they're generally concerns and as you heard from the last speaker can help you

whether or not the reporting requirements can be met at this very chilling effect, which assured debbie lerman has explained, on nonprofit advocacy. is the intimidation that is imposed by this which needs to be discussed openly as part of these interested party meetings and explain that it doesn't just apply equally to all organizations. there's some very small organizations that are going to be completely chilled out of our public policy debates and that is what were primarily concerned about here. but, we understand the good intent. we want make sure there's no unintended consequences as a result of good intent. i will tell you in the course of proposition c which of course won handily there were 29 organizations that took a position opposing the measure. was a principal position at after much with its intent but again the measure was an design one of to hit its target. 29 organizations, many of the nonprofit some if you get a be having outreach in asian parties at minimum the story of mrs. shelby on your list but they're generally concerns and as you heard from the last speaker can help you

whether or not the reporting requirements can be met at this very chilling effect, which assured debbie lerman has explained, on nonprofit advocacy. is the intimidation that is imposed by this which needs to be discussed openly as part of these interested party meetings and explain that it doesn't just apply equally to all organizations. there's some very small organizations that are going to be completely chilled out of our public policy debates and that is what were primarily concerned about here. but, we understand the good intent. we want make sure there's no unintended consequences as a result of good intent. i will tell you in the course of proposition c which of course won handily there were 29 organizations that took a position opposing the measure. was a principal position at after much with its intent but again the measure was an design one of to hit its target. 29 organizations, many of the nonprofit some if you get a be having outreach in asian parties at minimum the story of mrs. shelby on your list but they're generally concerns and as you heard from the last speaker can help you