. >> so debbie mcconaughey, kaiser permanente. so the plan that we have january 1 will have the ability of transporting in a wheelchair, but we cannot transport them sitting in a wheelchair. so for example, it's not a van where you can be transported sitting in your wheelchair, but if you have the ability to be transported where we would help assist the person in a wheelchair to get into the car, we could fold up their wheelchair, put it in the trunk, transport them, and then put them back in. currently, we don't have the ability to transport somebody who must ride in a van in their wheelchair. >> well, again, this is not my area of expertise, but as someone who observes wheelchair access in the community, a lot of the problem includes the fact whether the wheelchair can be accommodated in a vehicle and securely to meet, you know, the safety requirements, but also access to that vehicle. and sometimes if vans have steps and all that, a person who is wheelchair bound may not be able to -- so unless you're saying the benefit would n