last but certainly not least is debbie plunkett. who at one point was one of the most senior people in the national security agency. if you want to talk about someone who has been the bad -- has seen the bad guys go after your network debbie was responsible for all the cyber security for the national surety agency. at that time, also the department of defense. it goes without saying that if you're a bad guy, you are doing everything you can to get into the nationals surety agent he. -- security agency and dod. thanks to debbie, they almost never did it. [laughter] if i said never i would be lying. and anyone who really knows cyber says you never say never. here is the way we would like to progress. this is a very complicated issue. it is some politics, it is some technology, it is some bad guys and understanding the way the bad actors -- the russians, the chinese, the iranians, the way they act. then it is a little bit of the private sector, too. so i don't have to tell any of the kennedy school students, but this is a really compli

last but certainly not least is .ebbie plunkett if you want to talk about someone who has been the bad guys go after your network debbie was responsible for all the cyber security for the national surety agency. it goes without saying that if you're a bad guy, you are doing everything you can to get into the nationals surety agent he. if i said never i would be lying. anyone who really knows cyber says you never say never. this is a very complicated issue. some technology and politics, some bad guys and understanding the ways that bad actors, the russians, the chinese, the iranians, the way they act. then it is a little bit of the private sector, too. this is a really complicated mix. if it were just the technology issue, it would be complicated enough. it is the reason we have all these people here. i will start with the politics with robbie and matt. then we will talk about how to defend digital democracy. we will talk about the russians in particular and some of the things they have been doing recently and finish with heather, talking about the perspective from google, the role of the private sector, and open up to