debbie abrahams, labour's shadow secretary of state for work & pensions. and edward boyd, managing director of centre for socialjustice, and a former advisor to iain duncan smithor coming in. can we get a bit detailed, because it is quite interesting. let's start with this seven—day period. you apply and nothing happens for seven days. it should go. we have been clear that at least a week should be removed. the government said they wanted to have a system that replicated real life in terms of work and waiting for a month before you got your first support, but this is more than that in six weeks. this... this is the sum of the six weeks and seven days. what was the thinking? when we originally designed this, there was no seven—day weight. there was no seven—day wait. i will agree on this. i don't think any government of any cover is thankful reforming welfare. labour trying to bring in tax credits in 2003, or this government with universal credit, one thing everyone is missing is, when this is fully rolled out, the estimate is 300,000 more people will be in work. that was based on 2014 — 15 data. that is disingenuous to say that, ed. 300,000 before, and that da