among them, his friends doug and debby clarke. they think china's move is calculated. well to target the industries that cause the least amount of problems in their country, so it doesn't shut down their woolen mills, so the wool keeps going; the iron ore. so, they're strategically picking off australia, where it has the least impact on their economy. stephen: debby, how do you feel about this? debby clarke: well, it is a bit annoying. but you can't waste energy on being angry or annoyed when you cannot influence a foreign government. doug clarke: i mean, we can't do trade at any cost. i mean, we got to uphold, you know, our principles and the principles of the australian way. we don't want to lie down in a fetal position and get kicked to death. we need to stand up and fight back. stephen: australia is challenging china's tariff at the world trade organization. dan tehan: it might take one or two years for us to resolve it, but the principle of it is incredibly important. we want to go to the umpire, and we want to get a decision from the umpire, whether the actions b