deborah birx. her new book is entitled: "silent invasion."ll just ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." we awoke this morning to a stunning sight: house speaker nancy pelosi being greeted by ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy in the streets of kyiv. she and six other democrats made a surprise visit to the region to show support and discuss the president's proposed additional $33 billion u.s. aid package to ukraine. >> i'm here to say to you that we are with you until the fight is over. >> we will win together. >> brennan: we begin today with cbs news forn correspondent charlie d'agata who has the latest from eastern ukraine. >> reporter: good morning, margaret. this is what is left of an industrial site destroyed by the russians after learning it was being used as a base by ukrainian forces. from beneath the smoldering ruins of this plant in mariupol, a hint of hope. ukrainian fighters said around 20 women and children made it out of the hundreds of civilians g frotlinesneast fht for

deborah birx details in her book. she says it was towards the end of the trump presidency.says that vice president pence yelled at her when she called the pandemic one of the worst catastrophes in u.s. history and writes that you were disappointed you didn't stick up for her in that moment. i know for a fact because i have spoken for you, you have stuck up for her on many occasions. do you remember that episode playing out that way? >> no. >> tell us about that. >> no, i don't, jim. i don't recall that episode at all. as you well know, behind the scenes, in front of the camera, i've always been very supportive of dr. birx. and that's clear, you know that. i've been that way with you. i'm not sure what she was referring to there. >> let me ask you this, if trump were to return to the white house as president, and koiftd is still a threat, orb some other public health emergency, would you have confidence in his ability to deal with a pandemic of this nature? would you want to stay on in your post? >> well, no to the second question. the first question -- >> i knew the answer.

deborah birx said the u.s. should prepare for what it called a predictable summer surge in the south and then a summer in northern states in the winter. she said that her findings are based on data from south africa which has seen a rise in new cases. >> each of these surges are about four to six months apart. that tells me that natural immunity wanes enough in the general populations after four to six months that a surge is going to occur again. >> dr. birx said there were s similar surges in naomi judd and last year. >>> we're learning more about the devastating tornado that destroyed or damaged more than 1,000 buildings in kansas friday. the national weather service said the tornado had winds of up to 165 miles per hour. it was also on the ground for 21 minutes, and traveled nearly 13 miles. four people were hurt during that storm. >>> actress amber heard is expected to take t the stand th week in the $50 million defamation suit filed by her ex-husband, johnny depp. depp wrapped up his testimony last week. h

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deborah birx provides her firsthand account of the trump administration's response to the covid-19 help -- crisis -- health crisis. she's interviewed by the director of the institute of national and global health laws. find the full schedule on your program guide or watch online every time -- anytime on book tv.org.

deborah birx being intervention on c-span the after words program a couple weeks ago. i recall her making the statement out of the 6000 american hospitals about 500 were considered overwhelmed during the covid pandemic at the height. do you agree with that figure? >> it all depends how you define overwhelmed spray can certainly say i am on staff at three different hospitals all three were overwhelmed. some of that does not necessarily mean the hospitals busting at the seams. it may mean they cannot staff operating rooms but they don't have enough nurses, there have enough personal protective equipment not enough icu beds. it is not going to be the fact that when you look at a hospital you see a big line in the emergency department or the parking lot. it could be the hospitals operations are disrupted they had to stop other things. i think you have to look at it in that definition. clearly when you look december of 2020 it was palpable as someone working in those hospitals i'd never seen anything like that in my h life. i do not know if that was representative of all of

from the white house coronavirus task force coordinator deborah birx. health officials need to make it clear protection from the coronavirus wanes over time and precaution should be taken with vulnerable or immunocompromised people. birx said she is closely following data out of south africa which is currently indicating an upward trend in cases. >> each of these surges are about four to six months apart. that tells me that natural immunity wanes enough in the general population after four to six months that a significant surge is going to occur again. this is what we have to be prepared for in this country. we should be preparing right now for a potential surge in the summer across the southern united states because we saw it in 2020 and we saw it in 2021. >> the daily number of covid deaths and new local cases in shanghai declined slightly for the third concircative day. according to the latest government numbers, shanghai reported 32 deaths and more than 7300 new local cases on sunday. meanwhile, the chinese capital city of beijing reported 41 new ca

he had deborah birx to his dirty work when we were meeting with then vice president pence, a recent booke out, he had her attack pence and stand up to pens and contentious meetings and one meeting in particular she's looking around the room for a little support from fauci and he stays silent because he's a beagle killer who has so many conflicts of interest, they could have eclipsed the moon last night. talk about someone who not only knew about gain of function funding but also did a great deal working with the communist chinese government and various scientists to keep all of that quiet and protect his own self. >> that's exactly it. anthony fauci's fingerprints are all over the wuhan lab. i think he's afraid they're going to find out what happened. why has there never been an investigation on the origins of covid? it's because fauci doesn't want anybody to know his fingerprints are all over this. i think the american public can't the world deserve to know what exactly happened. how did covid get out of the lab? was a just a test? you know the chinese had some bad stuff inside the lab.

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deborah birx saying this morning. >> we should be preparing for a surge in the summer. >> reporter: aty's white house correspondents dinner. trevor noah joking about the event. >> the second someone offers you a free dinner you all turn into joe rogan. >> reporter: after more than .0 >> reporter: the packed event more than weeks after 70 people tested positive afte attending the gridiron din inert the nation's capital >> what are we doing did none of you learn anything from the gridiron dinner nothing? >> kind of funny but it is covid. the fda also said to convene an advisory committee meeting to look at whether the current vaccine compositions will need to be modified for new strains in the fall. and next month they will also review a covid vaccine for adults made by maryland based novavax. >> also this morning with soaring inflation driving up prices on many every day items, lot of americans are choosing to simply go without things they can no longer afford in order to keep things in check. the federal reserve is already raised certain interest rates. and another hike could come this

we were all trying to understand what was coming at us, doctor deborah birx, the white house coronavirus, did an interview on the today show where she gave a fatality prediction. >> doctor fauci said yesterday, we could see millions of cases in this country, and as many as 1 to 200,000 deaths. do you agree with that analysis? is that a worst-case scenario, or something that we should prepare ourselves for as potentially likely? >> so, in the flu models, the worst-case scenario is between 1. 6 million and 2. 2 million deaths. that is the projection if you do nothing. so, we've never really done everything that we're doing, we've put them into a model, we've looked at the italy data with their self isolation. and that's where we come up with if we do things together well, almost perfectly, we can get in the range of 100,000 to 200,000 fatalities. we don't even want to see that. >> i know, but you kind of take my breath away with that. because when i hear you saying is that sort of the best-case scenario, if everything works, and we will do the things you're asking them to do, maybe you cou

deborah birx, says health officials need to make it clear to the public that protection against the covidme and precaution should be taken with vulnerable people. she is closely following data out of south africa which is currently indicating an upward trend in cases. take a listen. >> each of these surges are about four to six months apart. that tells me that natural immunity wanes enough in the general population after four to six months that a significant surge is going to occur again. this is what we have to be prepared for in this country. we should be preparing right now for a potential surge in the summer across the southern united states because we saw it in 2020 and we saw it in 2021. >> and thanks so much for joining us. i'm rosemary church. for our international viewers, african change makers is next. for viewers in the united states and canada, i'll be right back with more news after the break. if your moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms are stopping you in your tracks... choose stelara® from thehe start... and momove toward relief after the first

eastern on afterwards, deborah birx provider first-hand account of the trump administration's response to the covid-19 health crisis with your book silent invasion. she's interviewed by the director of the institute for national and global health. watch book tv every sunday on c-span2, and find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime at book tv.org. >> ukrainian ambassador to the u.s. talks about the current state of the war waged by russia. she talked about what victory for ukraine looks like and thanked journalist for their coverage of the war. this is just over an hour. [background noises] are right, so are we ready? c-span cameras are here. good afternoon i'm the washington bureau chief of the christian science monitor but i guess today ambassador of ukraine is the first visit to a monitored gathering for reporters. usually we do breakfast but today it is coffee. thank you so much for being here today. ambassador is a native of ukraine and a graduate of the national university of kyiv academy in ukraine. then she came to the u.s. for her masters in public fina

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deborah birx, she says, we are about due. only time will tell if she is correct.talizations, sort of in context for this year, that hump you see on the left, that was hospitalizations back at the beginning of this year when it was really quite bad. you can see when you look at the tail, all the way to the right, all the way to the current day, it's gone up a tiny bit. there is a not-very-dramatic increase in hospitalizations. will that continue? we don't know. we certainly hope not. all you can do at this point is make sure you're vaccinated, make sure you're boosted so that you're not one of those people who ends up in the hospital. ana? >> and elizabeth, the fda is expected to make some key decisions about vaccines by this summer, right? what are you learning? >> they do. so, the leaders of the fda, including the commissioner of the fda, they wrote an article in the journal of the american medical association, jama, and they said, look, we need to make some important decisions this summer. we need to have a booster campaign in the fall, and this summer, we need

deborah birx on and we remembered that moment, march 31, 2020 and when she and president trump said if we don't do something about this, we could hit 240,000 deaths and it was a shocker and they were accused of scare tactics at the time. we just crossed 1 million in the space of two years. >> it really is. and the white house has to be careful with what they say. they have to handle it with the right balance. we go back to of course the last summer and you really saw joe biden's poll numbers start to go down after he had his covid mission accomplishment moment and then delta came along. >> a significant misstep of his presidency. some of his aides believe where it was last july 4th and the nation was declaring independence from the virus and the delta variant was there a few weeks later. and white house officials watching cases now, they've gone up across the country and hospitalizations have as well but deaths have not. not to the same degree as before. but they are sitting -- as much as their suggesting, it is time for americans to return their lives to normal. they want to see peopl

deborah birx told us. >> the first time we have an excuse, but there were about 10 0,000 deaths thatoriginal surge. all of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially if we took the lessons we had learned from that moment and ensured we used them. >> instead, we politicized the pandemic, turning masks and vaccines into court culture war signifiers. trump shifted from denial to down playing the disease to hocking cures. he got covid and hid the fact he got the vaccine for months. his mouthpieces on right wing tv kept conveying the message. vaccines were a plot to take away freedom rather than save lives. >> what about the efficacy of the vaccine itself among adults in. >> there's almost as apartheid style open air hostage situation. >> the science shows the vaccine will not necessarily protect you. it's not protecting many people. >> there's nothing more antidemocratic, anti-freedom than pushing an experimental drug on americans against their will. >> now we can't deny that there's a real world cost to all those lives. covid demonstrated the disi

americans have some immunity to the virus, former president tr trump's covid response coordinator deborah birxopulation after four to six months that a significant surge is going to occur again. >> birx things the surge will hit this summer, particularly in the south in the united states. dr. peter hotez, the codirector at the center for vaccine development at texas hospital joins us now. dr. hotez, do you agree with dr. birx? is there going to be a surge this summer? >> pretty much. here's why, jake. we saw a terrible surge the first year of the pandemic in 2020, in texas and the southern united states. it repeated with the delta variant in july, august, september of last year. and so we're seeing a pattern now of summer peaks of covid-19 in the south. whether or not it's going to be an entirely new variant, i think that's possible. the last one was delta rising out of an unvaccinated population out of india. we failed to vaccinate most of the low and middle income countries so there's a vulnerability and omicron which is responsible for a lot of the positivity in this country is not producin

deborah birx, we appreciate you coming in.ttle disagreement about that, but i have been reading your book and there are a lot of great insights. >> read the last chapter because it says stuff we're still getting wrong today. >> we should read it and take heart because this pandemic, it is still causing a lot of problems for americans across the country. people are getting sick and dying. thank you for your time. the author of the book, silent invasion, the untold story of the trump administration, covid-19 and preventing the next pandemic before it's too late. dr. fauci will join us tomorrow afternoon at 4:00. tune in for that. skbl >>> coming up, a new york congressman confirming fatalities in the grocery store shooting. we're standing by live for that and we'll talk to you in a few moments with the latest out of buffalo. stay with us. inspired by nature, onetouch verio reflect® meter shows s instantly if you're below, within or above your range. it cheers you on and provides guidance. coconnected to your health and your phon

deborah birx provides her firsthand account of the trump administration's response to the covid-19 help cap -- crisis -- health crisis. she's interviewed by the director of the institute of national and global health laws. find the full schedule on your program guide or watch online every time -- anytime on book tv.org. >> let me thank the witnesses for agreeing to appear today before our strategic forces subcommittee. you offer your service. the purpose of today's hearing is to examine the processes and procedures of how the nuclear weapons council coordinates department of defense requirements for nuclear weapons within the department of energy 's national security administration and their budgets. you have the principles of the nuclear weapons council except for the secretary of defense policy. his hearing is a historic one, dressing is routes to actions that occurred 76 years ago there --. the nuclear weapons council was once called the military we a song committee and it was established in the 1946 atomic energy act after the man hansen project was established -- manhattan project

well, anthony found she did the same thing based on computer modeling, and i'm assuming deborah birx,osely hand-in-hand with anthony fauci, used those same types of statistics and data to justify client downs and lockdowns. look, the hospitals in america were not hugely overrun with covid patients. you have to put these in context. yet for the data from hospitals in context. if you look at their emergency wards, you have to compare them to the bed count the previous year before the pandemic. many of these staff said hospitals were overrun with covid patients. in context, looking back through history and putting them in contact with other years, it didn't happen. the hospitals weren't overrun with patient. many of these gloom and doom predictions, that apparently deborah birx is still making to this day, didn't happen and are not based on truthful stats. host: what stats would you refer to then? guest: there are books out there written by some people i know who have done statistical analysis of the coronavirus. michael beatrice is one. he has gone back in time and actually analyzed the

and i'm assuming that deborah birx, who worked closely, hand-in-hand with, anthony fauci, used those same type of statistics and data in order to justify clampdowns and lockdowns. but look, at the hospitals in america were not hugely overrun with covid patients. you have to put these in context, you have to put the data from hospitals in context. and if you look at their emergency wards, you have to compare them to the bed count the previous year, before the pandemic. and many of these stats coming out that said that the hospitals were overrun with covid patients, in context, looking back through history, and putting them in context with other years, it didn't happen. those weren't over -- the hospitals weren't overrun with patients. so many of these gloom and doom predictions that apparently deborah ports was still making to this day didn't happen and they are not based on truthful stats. >> what's that where you referred to, though -- that basis, then? >> we'll, if you look there are books out there written by some people that i know who have done statistical analysis of the corona

deborah birx who said 34 to 40% of the deaths happened under trump's administration were avoidable andia and any president who had the slightest iota of interest in the people would have made that a public event given the vaccine his tense annie. but because of his treatment, because of the covid issue and of course because the denialism around the election. though no other american president has consistently and publicly not conceded an election that he's lost. >> peter, an excerpt from the updating portion of your book, you write this. it was clear from the first that trump's inclinations were radically more blunt force than his predecessors. when briefed by the pentagon on iran and the strait of hormuz, the next time they sent their boats into the strait, blow them out of the water. get mad dog on this. when told that seoul and south korea was so close to the border that millions of people would die in the first hours of any all out war. trup had a bold response. they have to move, he said. the officials in the oval office were not sure if he was joking, he raised his voice, they ha

web a birx -- deborah birx, been on a nationwide book tour, warning of a big covid surge, surge not like this? are you worried about this? are we looking at a surge as we speak, what? >> neil, we have to be circumspect here, one thing i learned about covid to be too definitive about your predictions. i'm extremely concerned about a major surge, october, november, december, january. i think it could have significant consequences, particularly combined with a major surge in flu. clearly right now there is a major uptick in infection across the nation. i know ambassador birx is particularly concerned. she tracks the data very closely. i talked to her yesterday really about a significant surge coming in the south, similar to what we had last year. i don't think it is going to reach the levels we had before, largely driven by the fact that omicron was such a successful pathogen, it affected so many people that our immunity levels are probably higher than we had when we had the surge last year and our vaccination levels are higher but i'm not going to you know, go out and predict. i am concern

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doctor deborah birx wording we may see an uptick in covid cases the summer. >> what you need to lookollow south africa very closely they are on an upslope again that tells me natural immunity wanes enough in the general population after 4 a significant surge that will occur again. we should be prepared right now for a potential surgeon the summer across the southern united states because we saw in 2020 and 2021. doctor marc siegel joins us now. what preparation should we be making for this surge, bearing in mind it's not a vibrant strain is that? it's nothing serious is it? >> actually it is the ba for a sub at various of omicron that is spreading in south africa and i'll be speaking with the doctor this week who is the top epidemiologist, the issue is that natural immunity, were not even talking about here, our officials are not talking about the u.s. is waning after four months, the combination in south africa to study this, the combination of a vaccine plus natural immunity is not waning. i think were talking about a slight increase i don't think were talking about a big increase

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deborah birx on the show last week, and we were reflecting on that moment where she came to podium and said there was a study -- in march and april of 2020, she said, we could get up to 240,000 deaths. that was breathtaking. we didn't believe the number could be that high. we thought it was a vast overstatement of the problem. now, here we are, two years later, at 1 million deaths. it's been a tragedy for the country, but it's been a human tragedy for families across this country. it continues as these subvariants -- luckily, we've got these vaccines that stop us from dying, by and large, and keep us out of the hospital much better than we used to -- but it is still here with us. that number, it's stunning this morning. 1 million american deaths from covid. >> mika, it's a very good reminder. of course, we're in a far different place than we were two years ago. >> yeah. >> so the impact of covid not as bad because of vaccines, because of booster shots, because we built up, as scott gottlieb said, we built up the wall of immunity, which is great news for so many people, especially our s

you interviewed deborah birx, mika, and she got secured while she was still in the white house. but, you know, i looked at her even at that time and said, she's in an extraordinarily difficult position. because, yes, she's working for a guy who is denying science. but who follows her? sure enough, when she left, we started dealing with scott atlas, who is just absolutely heinous. gave donald trump everything he wanted to hear. was a clown. you could say the same about dan coats. after dan coats left, the clowns that followed him were absolutely frightening. the fact that they were involved in our intelligence community, the head of our intelligence community, is frightening. yeah, it's not as simple as a lot of people on twitter like to say it is. >> no, it is definitely not. and i agree with you on that. it's just when you hear these stories -- and, you know, forget the -- i think you're right. they make money on a book, they make money on a book. it is good to have the record for history. i agree with you on that, joe. but i will say, when you hear story after story of what ap

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