we turn to deborah denno a professor aidd fordham universis school of law in new york and roy englert who has defended kentucky's lethal injection law before the supreme court. also joining social security a reporter who has been covering this story cary aspinwall of the tulsa world. let me begin with you. you were in the building when the execution was supposed to take place. what -- and you were not in the room to watch it, but you were nearby. what did you see? what was the reaction of those who were there at the time? >> we were all in the media center which is just adjacent to where the h unit is, where they house the death row inmates and execution chamber is. we were all waiting. they take the media witnesses to the unit in minivans just around the corner. normally those minivans return with the media witnesses. if the execution starts at 6:00, they are back at 6:30 at the latest even going through security and everything. as we were waiting in the media center as 6:30 rolled by. 6:45 and then 7:00, we began to become very concerned about what was going on in there and what --

. >>> joining us now is professor deborah denno. she specialises and capital punishment and joins us tonight in new york. when you heard it took 43 minutes for this man to die, did you think the drugs used were cruel. >> it's problematic. this was an unusual situation, unusual and medical experts had indicated and testified that there could be a problem with this drug combination. >> let's back up a minute. are these drugs tested. i ask katie the same question. i understand a lot of countries don't want to touch the issue because they are afraid of the backlash. does it force states to use untested drugs, and is that the case? >> because the state of oklahoma does not reveal the force of their drugs, we can't tell if they were tested. if it was a compounding pharmacy that created the drugs, that's problematic, because there has been difficulties with compounding pharmacies throughout the country. >> what happened tonight - will it change anyone's opinion. >> it's a botched execution in a recent batch of boxed executions that people