deborah fuller: i would love to have a mask free day by labor day.es from the perspective of -- i run a lab of many young people. they are looking forward to getting their kids back to school. jonathan: we appreciate your time. lisa mentioned the vaccine rate. to give you an idea of the numbers, israel is just fantastic, 40 doses per 100 people. the u.s. is just south of seven. the you -- u.k. is up by 10. the gap is not getting narrower. tom: a lot of it is cultural. i thought it was good. i do know what their ratio is. i was thunderstruck by the intensity, the manufacturing process of just getting people in. i had to put my walker aside because there were so many older people. it doesn't fold up in the winter like it should. there were a lot of good-looking guys. i don't have the wheels yet. jonathan: much more is here to come. this is bloomberg. ♪ >> we are in a wartime situation. in a situation like this, you do whatever it takes. >> the vaccine has been rolled out in a meaningful way so we will start to see some very positive growth. >> they are

lisa: deborah fuller of the university of washington really solidified this to me.he new strains that are more contagious have increased the need for vaccination and for vaccinating a larger proportion of the population. initially it might have been 65% of the population that needed to be inoculated in order to get to herd immunity. in other words, the longer this goes on, the further away we get from getting to the end of the pandemic, and that is a race we are dealing with. jonathan: you've got this relative story in europe versus the united states. then within that, the question of the cyclical story in absolute terms, in isolation in the u.s., just how quickly can we pare back these restrictions? tom: massive shout out to credit suisse, who was pounding the table in late september, saying stay with tech, as well as do all of the other stuff. that group, ben laidler, all of the others that have said stay with tech, boy, have they won. jonathan: they called me on my sabbatical. we had that chat. tom: i'm sure you did. jonathan: up to speed. tom: of course. why am