marvin kalb and deborah kalb. >> rose: did wise is here. he has written a lot of books on spies, sing, and spy agencies. he wrote "the invisible government" in 1964. it is widely credited with altering the perception of the c.i.a. s latest is "tiger trap: america's secret spy war with china." it explores the complicated dynamic at the heart of spy wars between the united states and china. i spoke with david wise and here is that conversation. i've heard people say that china is engaged in more espionage against the united states than any nation today. >> i think that's true and, you know, while everybody was watching the russians-- and i've written, i think, probably ten or 11 books about the russians, "tiger trap" is number 14-- china wa increasing its ability to spy on this country. and this is the first book about that. >> rose: tell me about the dth of the penetration. >> well, this began for me when i read a little story about a woman on the west coast named a trena lee young who... >> rose: i read tt story. i was in intrigued, too. >>

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