please welcome deborah solomon! (cheers and applause) deborah, good to see you, thanks for coming on. nice to see you again. now madame, as i said before, you're an art critic. i'm going to warn you up front i'm no fan of the form, all right? (laughter) if art has to be explained to me chuck it. all right? >> yeah. yeah. >> stephen: you are the author of -- >> well, i' try to help you tonight. we'll have you look at a painting. that's one of the problems i've got with you. you've written previous biographies of jackson pollock, joseph cornell. your new book is called "american mirror, the life and art of norman rockwell." >> correct. >> stephen: here's my beef, deb. the reason i like norman rockwell is he's not like one of these avant-garde guys where i have to go into a room in a museum and there's a pile of uncooked spaghetti with a lamp over it and they go "that's art a." he paints a mailman and i go "that's a mailman." why do i need you to explain that to me? >> well, it's interesting. during his lifetime-- you p

deborah carlisle solomon, who wrote "baby knows best" believes they should be treated more like adults are saying no. parents know best. if parents have the bigger picture but babies really do know more and are more competent than we often give them credit for. >> reporter: this is a back to basics approach. rie parents don't use highchairs. they don't yell at their kids and would never give a time-out even for bad behavior like fighting. >> mine. >> let's just see what happens and we're here to protect them and referee but let's give them a chance. >> reporter: parents believe this hands-off approach will instill independence, responsibility and patience. and we saw that firsthand during snack time at the rie center in los angeles. >> which one would you like? >> reporter: each child quietly waits for their bib and pours their own water. >> that's a squirrel. >> reporter: this woman has been using this technique with ellis since she was born. >> it just was really in sync with how we want to live our lives, which is being present, slowing down and just giving space to a child. >> i lo