. ♪ ♪ >>> pleased to welcome professor debra rhodie she has been articulating for the search for justicecountry, the latest book is called "cheating, ethics and law in every day life." professor good to have you on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> let me ask a strange question to start. has, the notion or the definition of "cheating," changed over the last 40 years as you have been doing this work? >> i don't think the definition has changed but the forms it takes do evolve with time. technology, of course, has transformed the forms of cheating. you have file sharing, downloading music and lifting stuff off the internet. whole sites on the internet that enable people to cut and paste their term paper and have somebody else write their papers. that is what has been the major thing. >> maybe i could have asked that question before, you answered what i wanted to get at. which is, there's a culture of cheating in the country, but so many of us who participate in that don't see it as cheating. so, the way we, the way i, the way you define cheating may not be the way that everybody