if we talk about really deep decarbonization, 80% reductions, etc., and we remember that to do that,t is not just the electricity sector, where we have a lot of options. it is also the transportation sector. it is also the industrial sector. why -- that is where i started reading with bill and say -- agreeing with bill and say, we have to do the research now in order to have these breakthrough technologies if we are going to have them in 15-20 years. proceed in both directions. charlie: the next energy review focused on a like -- on electricity. bono was just here discussing it. sense, we: in some have many infrastructures we are concerned about but two that i would argue permeate every other infrastructure, electricity and telecom. the convergence, the greater convergence of those in these next decades is going to be a very big story in terms of -- charlie: suggesting what? sec. moniz: much more collection of data throughout the electricity system, transmission system, generation, but behind the going meter into the customer's house, managing all of the smart appliances. how do we o

we will solve the problem with decarbonization and gas is a transition to that. >> we have time for one more question. there is one here.

we will solve the problem with decarbonization and gas is a transition to that. >> we have time for one more question. there is one here. >> chris from the energy daily. i wonder if you could give us a sense from the u.s. perspective what is the best realistic outcome of the marrakesh conference. jonathan: i think there will be three buckets into wish i would -- which i would bput the discussion. it is the first political meeting since montreal, the kigali conversation. what does that mean? ministers come together and reflect on the new world dynamic. the second, paris itself has a variety of explicit obligations that it incorporates. we are now and to do by the first series of parties technical tasks. there will be an accelerated timetable and a degree of urgency around the technical work. we will sit down and do negotiations over those predictors. the third is a structured set of prediction -- discussions over what is called the action agenda and that is a series of themed days were rehab discussions on everything from energy, in which gas and renewables and efficiency will play and t

however, if we talk about really deep decarbonization, 80% reduction mid century and we remember to do that, it's not just the electricity sector. we have a lot of options actually in terms of reducing carbon. it's also the transportation sector. it's also the industrial sector, which is highly distributed and obviously key to our economy. that's why, that's where then i started agreeing with bill and saying we have to do the research now to be able to have some of these truly break through technologies include large scale carbon management technologies if we're going to have them in 15-20 years. this is a false dichotomy and we need to proceed in both directions. >> rose: the next quadrangle energy review focused on electricity. bono was just here talking to me about electricity in africa and his push for that. what is the possibility. what are we talking about. >> very important. first let me say that in some sense, look, we have many infrastructures that we are concerned about. but two that i would argue permeate just about every other infrastructure. our electricity and telecom. an

we will solve the problem with decarbonization and gas is a transition to that. >> we have time for one more question. there is one here. daily.s from the energy i wonder if you could give us a sense from the u.s. perspective what is the best realistic outcome of the marrakesh conference. jonathan: i think there will be three buckets into wish i would t theich i would bpu discussion. it is the first political meeting since montreal, the kigali conversation. what does that mean? ministers come together and reflect on the new world dynamic. the second, paris itself has a variety of explicit obligations that it incorporates. we are now and to do by the first series of parties technical tasks. there will be an accelerated timetable and a degree of urgency around the technical work. we will sit down and do negotiations over those predictors. the third is a structured set of prediction -- discussions over what is called the action agenda and that is a series of themed days were rehab discussions on everything from energy, in which gas and renewables and efficiency will play and they will have