groups decideen's to separate in terms of when they have meetings or men will not take a meeting alongh a woman because they are afraid of being accused of something, yeah, that is not good. we have to have the real dialogue about what could create change. when i am seeing with the "me too" movement is we are still at a point of reckoning. there is more to come out. it is industry by industry. that reckoning has to happen. and then i think we look at the, what do we do about it? recognizing in that face. then we will come to what are the responsibilities on solutions? emily: so you think there will be more stories? melinda: undoubtedly. it is still playing out industry by industry. when i see something like "times up", i am optimistic or whether you are a farm worker or restaurant worker, any of them. place to go where you can get help, not just the moma fact that this is happened -- has happened to you. but you can go for legal help to have recourse. that will make a difference. emily: how do you root out to bad behavior and a way that is not trek coney and? -- draconian? melinda: i t