online lives so should you be concerned well let's ask someone who knows a thing too about that declan mccullagh is a correspondent with c. net news and. ns us live from san francisco declan welcome back to the program. before we get to the actual bills i want to look at the cyber threat itself because you know we keep hearing about cyber get in cyber nine eleven you know planes falling out of the sky trains the railing is a cyber pearl harbor type attack truly as big of a threat as the pentagon makes it out to be. probably not possible but there are other threats i mean dirty bombs suitcase nukes including ones a disappeared once the soviet union disintegrated i mean those are the threats i'm worried about i don't really care what the us senate website mean pagan down or being hacked into by anonymous from some of the groups that have been active here and so and so you have the cyber security officials in your budgets and their stature in their future and speaking engagements and payments from the private sector their lives depend on exaggerating the threat and so guess what that's very good so