the difference of fighting the war for independence, fighting a decolonizing war, gave way to the cold war because the had communist orientations and china were supporting them, but the fundamental war was about independence. the domino theory in that way doesn't necessarily signify the ways in which they did with mcnamara or johnson or neck's -- nixon. the other thing, when you get to the other side of it, 1975, the north had won. it seemed as if the communists were victorious. today in vietnam, we have a market economy that looks much like it was in their wildest dreams, the americans hoped would come to fruition in vietnam and never did. that's the reality of vietnamese society today. history has an odd way of moving in directions that people don't necessarily anticipate as time goes by. host: how important was normalization of relations with the united states in vietnam's recent development? dr. bradley: it was important, but we sometimes overestimate the impact of the united states on small states like vietnam and other places. in fact, before -- we had a trade embargo against vie