. >> chuck has this great comment about how you made more decon anythings than dedecon ng, right? >> i said it's very nice to meet somebody who's made a few more de kooning's than i. >> but it's also greatness because unless the newness contains it's not going to achieve the stature. >> when was free to do anything i wanted to, do i did the same things over and over d over. once i constructed a situation in which i couldn't do certain things, i found that those limitations rather than con strinting me and rather than limiting what i could do on the other hand... on the contrary open things up and i was far more intuitive than i ever had been without those limitations. >> rose: i have to close this. go ahead, make the point. >> i think there are two other points. we real fries a variety of levels we know very little about creativity. this should inspire people to look intthis. number two the two of you give a remarkable example we've mean? other contexts as well and that is the social determinants of creativity. you are a wonderful generation of students, you mustave had a faculty