. >> i have a bizarre question kind of backtracking to the discussion talking about deencryption. in the event let's say the government is like okay, manufacturers, provide a de encryption key for your devices. i feel like it's inevitable for other companies outside of the manufacturer to create such technology itself. so what will happen in the event that one entity decides to assert its ip rights against someone else trying to create that de-encryption data, patent rights, copyrights, potential trade secrets, even though i know that's not a federal set of laws. i foresee that becoming kind of messy a little later down the road. >> let me see if i understand the question correctly. a situation where one company is providing a decryption solution to law enforcement, another company is doing the same business and somehow gets ahold of the trade secret, if you like, that was being used by the first company, to conduct the decrypting of the devices? >> is that fair? >> let's say microsoft, the de-encryption is for their device. another company pops up and creates its own de-encryptio

in the event the government is like manufacturers provide a deencryption key for your devices. i feel like its almost inevitable for other companies to create such technology themselves. --i foresee that's a coming kind of messy -- later on down the road. >> the situation where one company is providing a decryption solution to law enforcement and other company is -- also in the same business and somehow gets ahold of the trade secret if you like that it was being used by the first company to conduct the decrypting of the devices. is that fair ? >> [ inaudible ] another company pops up and creates its own decryption mechanism. what would happen if they decide to exercise their ip rights against that second company? i foresee that getting a little hazy. >> it's an interesting question. i don't know if we have thought about all that. if we end up in that situation perhaps we're in a good place because we have solved the problem we have been seeking to solve. we can deal with it as we go forward. it's a very good question. i don't think my thinking has gone that far. >> with that w