the other level of the person is deepak's spirituality, and i admire his spirituality as it relates to the human condition; freeing yourself from the baggage of your past, treating other people with respect and, um, he's got me meditating. [laughter] and i like to meditate. i think it's very good for you, i recommend it. and i also agree with deepak or in the converse, i guess, that i think that spirituality, being a spir dhul person and -- spiritual person and being able to appreciate your place in the world makes science all the much more awesome. [laughter] so there's a great come policemen tearty there. to use a mechanical term. >> great. so let's start then with science. rooted in the can have no preconditions, nothing that's outside of measure about, nothing that you can't see, touch, feel, measure is real. and that anything that suggests -- >> is real. i didn't say -- >> well, then correct me. most religion, if not all, and most spirituality, if not all, has distortions in it, has bias, moves toward that which cannot be proven to be true and, therefore, should not be accepted. >