defense engagement with asean. it's focused on practical cooperation and mutual respect, and that includes training the next generation of leaders and tackling emerging challenges and deepening maritime cooperation. i'm also pleased to announce the second asean u.s. maritime exercise for next year, which asean member states approved earlier today and i look forward to meeting with key allies and partners. now, i regret that the prc chose not to meet here. the prc's decision is a setback for the whole region. as i've said consistently, the right time to meet is any time. now, before i get to your questions, i have one more announcement. later today the white house will be announcing additional security assistance for ukraine worth up to $275 million to meet critical battlefield needs, and that will include munitions for rocket systems and artillery and anti-tank weapons. and with that, i'm glad to take your questions. iraq -- reporter thank you so : much for doing this. i hope you're ok with this question. aaro chie

this week, the business of defense. the united states is getting its money's worth for military spending. plus, turning the tables on cyber crime. we look at how law enforcement and private firms using technology to track down criminals and even get some money back. and what it takes to put a show on broadway. behind-the-scenes with a star producer and director as they launch their new show, "left on 10th." we start with a story about choice. the choice that most americans are making between two parties, two presidential candidates, two economic choices, and what that choice could mean for global wall street. beginning with the u.s. economy and the battle of inflation from bloomberg international economics and policy correspondent michael mckee. michael: voters face a pretty stark choice. one candidate wants to preserve the status quo, the other wants to completely remake the global economy. the u.s. came out of the pandemic in better shape than any other country. during joe biden's term in the white house, almost 7 mil

protect a defensive position. and potentially can slow an enemy's advance, they won't stop it. they are wonder, they will. uh, if, if, if used correctly it's covered by fire, which means every artillery or direct fire weapons that can engage targets that become entangled in the mind, builds that can be very effective in slowing an adversary and then helping inflict loss on them. they won't stop it. reports save it, ukraine is also used a british, a storm, a shadow cruise missile against targets in russia. and after the use of these us made attack comes the, do we know how many of these weapons ukraine has and how many would be needed to make a significant difference to? well, we know that however many they have is not enough to make a significant difference and press reports. i've seen suggest that they have required on the order of 50 a tak homes. i don't have a number for a dorm shadow, but i'm guessing it's probably not a much larger these are weapons that were designed to be used by the doesn't in an engagemen

we are in a unique position where how do we use defense to inform offense?e say based on my time at the national security agency, it takes a thief to catch a thief. how do we inculcate the offensive mindset in our defenders? what we have been doing is a little bit of a prisoner exchange between our offensive operators and are defensive operators where we actually have on mission with offensive folks working with defenders have actually caught nation malicious cyber actors because we have been doing this cross-pollination. our basic operators, it is important that they know their trade. as you move up to the senior and master level, it is a dit trade. let's look at my firewalls and boundary devices. you have to think about honey pot, tripwires. then you have to think about active pursuit. you have to have all the things available. then you create additional opportunities. eric: ok, so follow-up. what have we learned from cyber hunt forward activities to further develop our defensive strategies? maj. gen. mahlock: i think the operations are ones we have been d

on the defensive side we have to.eral barrett, how do you think about leveraging both offensive and defensive teams to take a more proactive approach to cybersecurity? how do they communicate, how do you bring them together, when do you keep them separate? >> they need to specialize and really build proficiency in what they're doing. so we have to be deliberate about -- i'd love to be able to circulate, especially the military members between offensively and defensive assignments. that's not possible. we do have some deliberate talent management where we will purposely move people from one side of the other to enhance that. the second thing we'll do is, we'll actually run exercises where the offensive teams perform up for opposing force functions against the defensive teams. that really sharpens both of their skills and brings them to an understanding of where they overlap in terms of, i want to be stealthy when i'm on an incident response and i want to be stealthy when i'm also attacking a network. guess what, we hav

the defense industrial base. we see that as foundational to defend the departments interest in cyberspace. today that is over 1200 partnerships through our cyberspace collaboration center. increasingly, the department is asking u.s. cyber command to grow partnerships in this area so we can work with our industry teammates because it is a very unique domain. industry creates our domain. there of course the partner that will have the great effect in the ability to defend u.s. interests and those of our allies. >> it has been two years since nsa alerted the initiative capability to commercial platforms. with the rapid advancement we are seeing in commercial technologies, how do you expect to harness these capabilities to stay ahead of our adversaries, and how do you see the same technologies affecting our adversaries tradecraft? >> hybrid computing initiative is a good example of what it will look like for our future. there are going to be some very unique technology things that will be bespoke within the intelligen

>> heads. >> heads is the call. >> defense. >> you want defense. which way do you want to go? >> okay. georgia will go this way. georgia tech will play defense. >> joe: you know, there was some concern with carson beck after that last play of k katie. >> katie: we have seen him stretching his right arm. he's been holding his elbow, shaking it out. we have seen him grimace over here on the sideline, so there is definitely some discomfort there in his throwing arm as we head to over time. >> jesse: yeah, katie. and he's played so well here in the second half. kpa and so here we go. just the fourth overtime in series history, in a series that dates back to 1893. and georgia tech winning the coin toss, opting to play defense first. you always want to know what you need when it is your turn to go on offense. >> joe: or each team get it is ball at the 25 yard line with the attempt to score. and this is phillips. he is upended at about the 22, like clayton powell-lee. >> jesse: yeah. generally the best overtime tees are the best red zone teams and usually are the best running teams.

i'll go into the country's defense ministry. i'm going to see now if we couldn't bring in our correspondence from the front lines more on 1000 staff that we have all to senior correspondent where our goal is to have more ads, more drones seems like quite a big attack. what can you tell us about what we know at the stage, as well as ask it from, from what we understand above 3000 at this point. we list uh, 3000 drones. have a tax most go, we'll have b intercepted on the roof to moscow being charged down over the satellite. cities of a satellite pound uh the surround most cars, there's the voltage posted on russian. so it should be showing characteristic you crazy and unmanned aerial vehicles. kindly call the drones, making that way very, very low towards moscow. there's also a footage of one of the apache damaged, coming down, landing on a neighborhood on the sub, a neighborhood, and damaging several houses. 2 houses, in fact from, from what we understand apache, new things. how does these, the, the people in one of the houses zi

our collective defense.ur shared vision of a free insecure world adhering to shared and respected values. that is why we have gathered at the halifax international security for a bit i understand we may not all agree on everything, but as democracies, we share common values, and a united desire for safety and security and our prosperity. and we should make no mistake about this. -- individual national prosperity and global prosperity for the entire free world depends on our shared security. it's that collective commitment to defense that has led to a stronger nato and working in partnerships on common goals and challenges. and for partnerships for common goals and challenges. in the face of china's and russia's push into the arctic we have formed a northern defense dialogue with like-minded nations. we know as that area becomes more accessible to potential adversaries as the arctic melts and it could become the main point of transient -- transit, we know we need to work together for a peaceful and prosperous

they even have a new defense commissioner role that they've created and brussel. so now is really not the time for peace please. he's from the battle test. the nation of lithuania, defense is one of the top priorities for the next commission. so let me select the tasks me to help you prepare itself for the most extreme military contingency. which means to prepare for the possibility of production regression against. do you remember states what can predict the doing false coming to the case? 0 nights of states is likely to increase its focus on just a district chart. and suppose by trying this longer term shift necessities, most self reliance would appear on different subjects. and so the you is really just going to have to, why don't keep writing russia all by itself, while truck moves on to other things like, or on the u. s. economy through trade, which he's more interested in doing as a business man, i guess the, their new playground. how it really doesn't sound like he wants to play the same game as the old out by that. they said he will start a war. i'm not go

the first is increased defense spending is now a necessity for the united states. we have a three region strategy and a one region military. we have been taking peace dividends since the mid 1990s, and we now have to reconstruct the strength that we need to be safe and prosperous. much better than president biden did. a second priority is rebuilding america's deterrence. military strength is part of that, but it's not all of that. we need to stop worrying so much what our adversaries might do and start acting in a way that our adversaries have to worry what we might do. and seeing some of the things that president trump did in his first term, the aggressiveness with which soleimani was assassinated, the targeting of russian mercenaries that were operating in syria had good effect in that regard. and the third thing, which you rightly pointed to, is the abraham accords, which did, you know, getting arab states in the middle east to acknowledge the degree to which they and israel had common interests in constraining iranian malevolence was i think one of the most imp

p on defense. but there's still a lot to do. i mean, collective defense is still basically outsourced tomato, where dependencies on the united states are very acute and not sustainable in the long term. and we still don't have a common for an uh, calling european foreign policy. we still have, you know, 27 independent national foreign policies, and that's a problem. i think how high is the risk of trans pulling out of nato. it, depending on who you talk to. some people think he won't actually do it. and also in terms of trump, a band and in ukraine, i mean what, what store is that for nato and for ukraine, the re election of donald trump would be a much more difficult scenario as compared to the harris scenario. i personally find it also very unlikely. that's trump what to pull the united states out of nato, because in the end, he's not, he's not an isolationist, but the problem is with trump, that's his security policies are highly contradictory. i mean, he lames, the supposed weakness of the bite and administration of, for rus

today, the modern air defense systems available in the world and the missile defense systems being built by the americans in europe do not intercept such as cycles. what papers in the convent glossy due to new heights of solar results for the western defense is called to john? as far as the movie industrial facility in new great, russian present dozer. she's just on pointing that most crude can attract military . so i think countries that allow us to use the game as country and washington and condemns most over the car. and jessica, relation to the conflict, ignoring the facts, it was the us that enables you to conduct low range missiles, flights on russia, which law school had been to the screen from across the world. this is ot international. just go 6 am local time have in most cases. thank you very much for joining me. appreciate it has consented . russia used to me experimental hypersonic me, sol, to attack a military industrial so i can ukraine. the russian present specified that the project so was equipped with the known nuclear warheads. he said the missile can travel, it's such

yes i didn't want to correct because missile defense is missile defense. yes. right. and didn't want to correct them. i figured i'm going to send them a copy of my book when it publishes. but and i went to the experts. i went to everyone who knows and, you know, this, but most people don't that we have a grand total. of 44 interceptor missiles. those missiles have a success rate of between 40 and 55%. and those are the time after time under ideal conditions. yes. or you could call they're called cure tests. right. so like charlie we're going to be sending a missile your way. how's that? you know? i mean, this is what they did. so how easy. it's it's not sort of a madness and mayhem unfolding caught off guard. 44 half approximately half of them are going to be successful. now consider this number, russia has. 1670 nuclear weapons ready for launch. you and i both know numbers change a little every year, but most people don't know that number. never mind the thousands on reserve, right? america because it's all about parity. has. 1770 nuclear weapons with several thousan

the defense industrial base.at's over 1200 partnerships through our cybersecurity collaboration. the department is also asking u.s. cyber command to be able to grow partnerships in this area so that we can every day work with our industry teammates because this is a very unique domain. industry creates our domain. they're, of course, the partner that will have an absolutely great effect in the ability to defend u.s. interests and those of our allies. >> it's been two years since nsa awarded the hybrid compute capability. with the rapid advancement we're seeing in commercial technologies like gen a.i., quantum, how do you expect to harness these rapidly changing capabilities to stay ahead of our adversaries and how do you see those same technologies affecting our adversaries' trade craft? >> i think hybrid compute initiative is a really good example of what it will look like for our future, which is there are going to be some very unique technology things that will be bespoke within the intelligence community. but

we'll take body blows on the defensive side.nfidence in our ability to respond over time. >> just a couple of quick points and so whenever we talk about what we're doing with ai, we put the word responsible in front of it, and i do think that's an important aspect of this. but from a cyber com standpoint, working with the department, working with cdao, you know, we have a road map in the future of where we're going. we have about a dozen operational pilots right now. and so for us, you know, the department runs the third largest network in the world, you know, and our ability to employ ai in a way that has us look at the things that are most important is sort of the large scale pilot right now, and it will allow us to spend our time and our resources better. but the bigger piece for me and for the audience here is it is not just about the technology. it's about the talent. all right. and we have young men and women who are coming into the force that want to use ai, that want to develop new capabilities, and we've got to provide

has been our longest standing defense partner. this agreement is a perfect new step toward a strengthened partnership. fiji has benefited greatly from the u.s.-fiji defense relationship through many programs and joint collaboration that has enabled us to protect our borders, and has assisted us in tackling transnational crimes. today indeed marks another milestone in the fiji-united states relationship, and we look forward to continued efforts to strengthen collaboration. i thank you very much. sec. austin: mr. prime minister, thanks for the warm welcome and the outstanding hospitality. i am very proud to be the first u.s. secretary of defense visit fiji. it is an honor to be here. our relationship is rooted in common values and our shared vision of freedom and openness. the indo pacific is our priority theater and strengthening our partnerships with fiji and other pacific island countries is vital to a free and open indo pacific. in our meeting today, we have discussed the security environment and fiji's role as a regional leader

defense was not cool and not the hottest thing. emily before launching anduril : he worked on virtual reality head sets in his parents' garage. by 18 he caught the worlds's -- by 18 he had a prototype that kick started the dr move vince and caught the worlds's attention including mark zuckerberg. zuckerberg bought the company for $2 billion. luckey was later ousted. palmer i think people think you : got kicked out of silicon valley. palmer that is because i made a : $9,000 political donation. it is for the person to be -- for a person and put tech to support the person who supported the president does this year. emily he means this guy. : disputes he was fired for -- meta-disputes that he was fired for his political values but it was a rift so he turned attention to defense and set up shop in california. how did you get interested in defense technology? palmer i was able to work as a : lab technician on an army project called brave mind teaching -- it was treating veterans of ptsd with virtual reality exposure therapy. that was bef

industry and defense, science and technology. we conclude on the importance of upholding rules-based international order in the region and on enhancing cooperation with other value sharing countries. in particular we agreed to strengthen rok-u.s. japan corporation and based on our indo-pacific strategies we agreed to extend cooperation with the asian and pacific island nations. and a new areas of cooperation such as aukus portmac we've agreed to create synergy. the meeting today we assess is a cornerstone for developing the rok-u.s. alliance into global conference of alliance and we will closely cooperate for peace and security of prosperity korean peninsula and in the region. we go together. thank you. >> thank you very much. questions for the full view. you discussed me for beijing to do more to rein in north korea's aggression but so far china has been largely silent on north korea's deployment of troops of russia's war efforts. what do you make of the silence? what do you want to see? what specific steps would you like to see

the world's current air defense systems and the missile defense system of the americans in europe do not intercept such as science . this is impossible, i emphasize once again that it is not for russia, but the united states that have destroyed the international security system. and by continuing to fight and cling to their who generally, they are pushing the entire world towards the global conflict. we have always preferred and are now ready to resolve all contentious issues by peaceful means. but we are also ready for any development. if anyone still doubts this, it is in vain. there will always be a response coupled with, according to the restroom present. the rest snake, which translates to hazel, is a state of the often to meet the range ballistic missile and they can travel. it knocked the tennessee who thought maybe we can say that now it's up to 3 kilometers per 2nd. mr. pigeon emphasizing the advance type is only project dalton penetrate any current defenses, as well as the amount that shows the approximate time it would take for interest next to reach me if you are paying c

who regarding the defense of administer of defense, a, get them to be a during the for instance, and disputes are increased um that we sold that the a different demonstrations. i went ahead and the is there a, i guess the, the, the decision. and that again, we heard again, many of you was adults about the, the, the, the, the needs to has the, nothing new accountable. that's a, he is the one who is presenting it again and so on. so basically we got notice that in the a few past weeks and there was a kind of unity and as far as the, even the demonstrations, i guess nothing, me a whole degrees. and the, because the, the is what you'd be a engender of these are easiest, you need that it's time for the bottom of i live on, on. and that, that they are a jungle is succeeded in gaining a some legitimacy, the guard thing at the wood on the button on specifically, so after a, his decision regarding his minister. we so again, disputes we saw against the differences. so this sort of statement today is the reflection of the decision of the process within the government and as a way from the whole

is one of our longest standing defense partners. that agreement is a positive step towards a strengthened partnership. the indo pacific is our priority theater and strengthening our partnerships with fiji and other pacific island countries is vital to a free and open indo pacific. in our meeting today, we have discussed the security environment and fiji's role as a regional leader. we discussed how we are deepening our bilateral cooperation. this includes a new acquisition and cross servicing agreement, and i will sign that agreement with the ministry for home affairs and immigration later today. this agreement will mean closer logistics cooperation between our forces, including for humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. we are also announcing the start of negotiations on a status of forces agreement, or sofa. once complete, the sofa will expand our defense collaboration through exercises in military engagements. we also covered the new security assistance that the united states is providing to fiji, including $4.9 million in

i put that to ben um, ben, tell a blew a senior fellow at the foundation for defense of democracies. the that's the $1000000.00 question right now, there's lots of reports saying that the cabinet is really national. security cabinet will be competing as early as tuesday. so just within a few hours to discuss this proposal in earnest. so it could be within the matter of hours, it could be within a matter of weeks to some of those final sticking points about not just the text of the ceasefire, but the enforcement mechanism. and some of those security guarantees you had alluded to in the earlier package are not met or ironed out. i mean, some of those include, for example, israel still wanting to be able to strike southern 11 on how would that work with us is 5. well uh, one of the areas that i've been looking at is how it israel try to prevent the resupply. the re arming of lebanese has below either indirectly via iran, through syria or directly via russia, via syria to lebanese as well. uh, this is likely something that is real does not want to allow to be a repeat of which is the pos

but his time as secretary of defense in the memoir is coming after iran-contra and ears of the defense buildup and all that going into the department of defense to carry out his vision of peace through strength but he tried to reform the place and it came out in a way that i fully appreciate it his tenure as secretaryry of defense was 14 months. right, i think he was concerned about wasteful >> and the other thing when he reflected about his tenure as secretary of defense in one of this top accomplishments. , he was concerned with not cutting personnel and not affecting the morale of people in the military that he was aware thee infrastructure of the military could be breaking. i remember a story that he proposed this idea to the president and the president being an elected official said -- but it was successful and he came up with the idea of a commission to reduce basis in base infrastructure and he was given an up-or-down vote in congress and to be able to reduce >> overall without cutting costs. you write weinberger became the uptight person in foreign affairs probably sparring wit

knife and stabbed lee in self defense.e defendant's sister has said the alleged dealer had slapped her on her behind and pulled down her pants after supplying her with too many drugs, but villegas testified under cross-examination by the da that the alleged dealer was simply helping césar change. villegas also acknowledged césar did tend to embellish things at times. ktvu legal analyst michael cardoza says villegas testimony was damaging to the defense. we also spoke to a defense attorney who says that's not the case. >> by putting this witness on, the defense got hoisted on their own petard because this witness gave testimony that was very helpful to the government and basically gutted casa's testimony by saying she exaggerated. and some of the things she testified to did not. in fact, happen. >> at the end of the day, when there is a closing, you will see how each piece of the puzzle fits together. sitting here watching each witness take the stand, you might not understand what their use is, what the reason we have them

they even have a new defense commissioner role that they've created in brussels. so now is really not the time for peace please. he's from the battle test. a nation of lithuania defense is one of the top priorities for the next commission. does that make sure that the tasks me to help you to prepare itself for the most extreme military contingencies? which means to prepare for the possibility of production like a restaurant against? do you remember states what confident that they're doing 1st, coming decades, united states as likely to increase in focus on just the district shot and supposedly trying to just long get them shipped necessities, most self reliant, pulled up in different such. so the you is really just going to have to, why don't you fighting russia all by itself while trump was on the other things like or on the u. s. economy through trade, which he's more interested in doing as a business man. i guess the new playground, how it really doesn't sound like he wants to play the same game as the old out by that. they said he will start a war. i'm not goi

is always for self-defense.ortionate and agile and the response to russia's own actions, and it is in accordance with international law. under article 51 of the u.n. charter, ukraine has a clear right of self-defense against russia's illegal attack. christian: well, joining us from new york tonight is france's ambassador to the u.n., and very soon he will be leaving that post to become france's ambassador to moscow. you are very welcome to the program. amb. de riviere: thank you for having me. christian: can i get your reaction to vladimir putin tonight, he said a conflict of a global nature. how far do you think he is willing to go? amb. de riviere: i don't know. i think it is important to get back to the basics. in february 2022, russia took actions against ukraine. there is on this issue an aggressor and a victim. ukraine is defending itself from the very beginning, and as far as i know, the ukrainian army never took actions against russia. they did not engineer this war. so ukraine is defending itself, accor

hegseth potentially running the defense department?think he clearly is a loyalty choice. i think that's the -- that's what trump is after. as i've said before, i don't think loyalty is really the right word. it's altyfealty. he ubservients, coming to see the emperor had to castrate himself knock his head on the ground four times before the emperor would recognize him. that's what trump thinks is loyalty. are they prepared to be the yes man or yes woman? i don't know what hegseth's performance will be. he performed honorably in his military service and if he lives up to that ideal he won't be afraid to tell the president what he thinks. >> sir, what are the potential scenarios where a defense secretary under donald trump may have to decide between following the norms and expectations, laws, around the use of our military and the orders of the commander-in-chief? >> well, i think they're going to be quite a lot of them. i think the defense and justice department are the two flashpoints where, for example, trump has said on many prior occ

and the defense became crystal clear.they now understand what took place on main street. guess what, folks? they did not tell us. >> reporter: what has not been said inside the courtroom could be the difference between the conviction of murder and the conviction of manslaughter. attorney, shannon duggan, says it will be critical for both the defense and for the prosecution to fill in these holes before they entered deliberation. >> bob lee cannot tell his story. there is no evidence yet that he was aggressive in any way. and there is also a lack of evidence of where the knife came from. there is still a motive. and that is still probably the biggest hole in this case. >> reporter: the prosecution must convince the jury that momeni is guilty of intentionally stabbing lee beyond a reasonable doubt. his explanation of self-defense is inaccurate. prosecutors have not tapped witnesses to counter momeni's take of events that he used his self-defense training to defend himself from an attack brought by bob lee. it is a high burd

today, let's start by defining proactive defense.ete: peter: thank you to everyone in the room for sticking it out. i think it depends on where you sit. i will speak from the perspective of government and how government agencies would look at proactive defense. for me that means getting out of the defender space, getting out of victim networks, looking at the adversaries who are threatening us and trying to understand where they are coming from, what is motivating them, what type of internet infrastructure they have to navigate on a path toward trying to victimize our networks. that perspective comes from a couple of places at the cia, one is we are a foreign intelligence agency so that's necessarily where we are focused, we don't have the authority to remit to look at the defender space, we don't have the explicit mandate others have. but there's also a lot of opportunity there. there's a sense that when you get outside of well-defined networks or large banks, and you look at like the water sector that was spoken of earlier, there i

invest in defense.'s make sure that the technology needed for the battles of the 21st century are procured as quickly as possible. as palmer said, a message that can be lost inside of the dod and outside of it, we need to focus on doing more with less. technology is better for the american taxpayer. building products for the next generation of war fighter, it's cheaper than the large exquisite systems that have dominated the department of defense for many decades and i think it will be a huge focus of the administration going forward. ed: doing more with less, department of government efficiency, elon musk, what do you think that elon musk will do, encourage, or guide the president-elect to do if he is to have some sort of role in this administration? katerine: i don't know much about that department. there are a lot of details on that that remain to be seen, but the thing most important about those around the administration and the administration themselves is that they very much understand the importa

there is nothing where the, according a defensive position, where natural defensive position brushing force as of also in the surprise offensive come very close to the settlement of any kind of a show of advancing almost 5 kilo mrs. within 24 hours, which in the context of this complex, he's a very serious advance. so to get demonstrates the problem facing the ukrainian military. and that is lack of buying power and lack of i'm you vision to stop these a myriad of russian offences along the front floods from the screen. and uh decide if you look on that yet. and soon there is that tool along ukrainians of russian defense to be in self. i always get where the lines are especially vulnerable, because we'll recreate in supply lines. go from the west towards the east if the russia was managed to advance from the south. and cutoff comfortable enough to throw off life or fell disaster for you credit into the supply line and the uh, called back efficiency, and called back potential on the video frontline. meanwhile, the russian minister decides visit the headquarters of the northern bathroom

he was caspar weinberger is reagan's first secretary of defense his deputy the department of defenseuring the first term and then served president reagan's national security advisor and then secretary of defense in the second term resume unlike pretty much anyone else, few could compare what secretary carlucci did during those years of government service. now, secretary carlucci is remembered here at the reagan institute as one of the most accomplished and serving figures from the reagan administration. and he was a consummate public servant. what secretary called, quote, a hero among civil servants devoted to service, hard work and statesman statesmanship, which, of course, is unusual in this town. he got things done, as we were just discussing. so we'll talk about all of this and more. please join me in welcoming kristen carlucci head to the stage where we engage in discussion on get me carlucci. thanks for being here. it's rather thank you. well, to our viewers on c-span, here's the book, get me carlucci will do the most important thing i could do for you this evening and tell her

as a trial lawyer, because keep in mind, what's defense self-defense? momentum being made to be on the knife on the handle because he's and i stabbed him in self-defense. so why the big kerfuffle in the courtroom and why preston them so hard and well, as we know the devil is in the absolute, you know, during cross, i guess the police were asked about the witness who drove past the scene. >> and they were never able to find them. right. so the defense pushed logically ask, why didn't you try harder to find a witness? well, here's what the defense is doing. like i said, they're doing a wonderful job and the government's doing a good job, too. as a defense attorney, you want to put that out there. and so you didn't look that hard. so you sort of cast aspersions on the investigation saying wasn't a very good investigation. you didn't try to find the guy hard enough, but then when you stop and think about what you can add to this, i mean, unless maybe he saw it, but may not want to witness. that's odd. but that's something you throw out there and you hope a