trying to defund obamacare didn't turn out very well last time. this is what he sees as only route.ou ask can it succeed? that is tricky question. in the past, lawsuits brought lawsuits individually in the white us saying it lacks standing. what boehner is trying to do get the congress, house of representatives itself but their own impramatuer behind the lawsuit. that hasn't been done before. eric: jamie, say the house votes on this and passes this. does the president have a point when george w. bush and bill clinton issued more executive orders than he did and they weren't sued. >> might be, that might be a case but that is not actually what boehner is arguing here. he is not arguing the merely the numerical number of executive orders that any president has issued. he is saying, that president obama has changed laws that exceeded his authority, that he has the power to do executive orders but what he has done is beyond that power. and the courts will decide if they take this case whether that is true or not. eric: nina, it is a constitutional issue. >> i think it is a high wire gam

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if they were to defund obamacare, defund talk a the immigration rule, unilaterally, if they pulled money that could be much more serious tool -- daca. patti ann: doug. >> what you didn't hear from monica is positive agenda for change. what the american people want how do we revitalize the economy, despite 4% gdp is still morey bunted in many ways. -- moribund. how do we change it, how we make it work for all americans and what is really miss something a positive agenda and democrats really want the republicans to be more negative because it will help them in the midterms. patti ann: okay. monica, the supreme court has had some recent rulings that backed up some of these accusations of overreach. >> absolutely, on number of fronts the supreme court ruled against the president yet he is undeterred. a lot of republicans say, once we get the senate, assuming that the republicans can take control over that in november, that we'll have, we can put brakes on it. think that is true. except this president proven time and again he doesn't need congress. he is more than willing to bypass congress w

the present time boehner was forced to pull a bill that would have fun the government and defund the obamacare, tea party called it a gimmick that allow democrats to strip out obamacare provision, and bainer to cancel the vote, and led to the government's shut down. just a month later speaker boehner, forced to cancel a vote to raise the debt ceiling and reopen the government, speaker gainer has divvyed up his sense of duty, and representing his fellow republicans, and 434 other members of the house as he should. but none with such a great emphasis in searching the interest of big business, business round table, chamber of commerce. it is worth considering, possible that's mr. boehner may have learned something from all of his embarrassment in particular today's, and perhaps, he will become that tkpw*p leader who gives first emsession to our national interest to our middle class our entrepreneurs and small be owners and working men and women here. another possibility, is that it is time for house republicans to search out a new leader, new speaker attuneed to the needs of the people, requireme

like regarding the border and regarding obamacare, you can defund certain things that you don't need the senate to be involved in. you can send a message to obama in a variety of other ways, with other legislation, with other behavior to work with him to force him to try to govern. i think is really the -- >> tammy, that hasn't worked very well. boehner and the president had a beer together. so much for that. >> that's the point. that's the point. you do more than have a beer and play golf with the guy. this is why congress' approval rating is so low and as a conservative, i'm horrified when i have to agree with president obama that this is a stunts. this is why americans are upset, because the timing indicates it's a stunt. the nature of it indicates it's a stunt. we want serious governing and this is like tweedle dumb pointing the finger at tweedle dee. >> some disagree saying you have these legitimate issues that have to be legislated. doug, you worked with a master back slapper, bill clinton. how is anything going to get done when you have a president who says it's my way or the

they shut down the government trying to defund his significant initiative policy, obamacare, that didn'tgrowing frustration, you are hearing people go to extreme measures like impeachment and i think that is really what this is all about. of course, it's not going to work. the constitution says a president can only be impeached for high crimes and mifesdemeans and treason. eric ericsson is saying this won't work. it's a real fringe. >> it is a real fing. eric ericsson and you got "wall street journal" stepping in. i may add in "wall street journal" defense, they were warning all along about the shutdown strategy saying it would kill the republican party. they have been helpful. i do want to say, though, if you can shed a light, jeremy peters, because you report for "the new york times" on capitol hill, the frustration that a lot of house members also feel about facing -- passing one piece of legislation after another piece of legislation after another piece of legislation, knowing it's going to go over to the senate and not even see the light of day. harry reid doesn't allow amendments o