. >> just to be clear yeah commissioner dejesus this policy has to prohibit choke holds and prohibit choke hold inform question i think i want to make a clarification that remains ♪ policy choke holds are prohibited if so policy of the department and on page 7 we actually should be implicit about that under b prohibit use of choke holds >> correct. >> and do that in into places choke holds an section 3 i think that the point is to the extent in the minds of civilians we got dinged on this if you're going to make options on the force do you have to understand the different between the choke hold and a caroid we're sharing that now commissioner dejesus. >> yeah. of course. >> i'm a little bit confused i hear maybe not green from all of you, we should definitely eliminate caroid at some point that's a question i have is why. >> if some of us are resolved we should eliminate this at some point what was the basis for that conclusion or the basis for that conclusion. >> i'm happy to take that the basis of it what it is i would characterize it as a police practice that is falling out of fav

commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus commissioner mazzucco commissioner melara commissioner hwang commissioner president loftus we have quorum and also with us the intern chief of police the office of citizens complaints joyce hicks you. >> well to the monday, december 21, 2016, thank you for being here i'll start off by welcoming our newest supervisor commissioner hwang we'll get to hear from you it is great to have you here and change a little bit of the order of agenda so if you're following along i'll move up items 4 and 5 up to after 2 the consent calendar is we'll go in order one, 2, 4, and 5 and then sergeant, next line item. >> item one presentation of certificate presentation of the california department of alcohol abc significant achievement award to the abc liaison unit alu. >> hello and thank you for allowing us a few minutes i'm the acting director the alcoholic beverage for the state and here to acknowledge the work of the san francisco police department and i'll ask them to please come up here we definitel

commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus commissioner mazzucco commissioner melara commissioner hwang commissioner president loftus we have quorum and also with us the intern chief of police the office of citizens complaints joyce hicks you. >> well to the monday, december 21, 2016, thank you for being here i'll start off by welcoming our newest supervisor commissioner hwang we'll get to hear from you it is great to have you here and change a little bit of the order of agenda so if you're following along i'll move up items 4 and 5 up to after 2 the consent calendar is we'll go in order one, 2, 4, and 5 and then sergeant, next line item. >> item one presentation of certificate presentation of the california department of alcohol abc significant achievement award to the abc liaison unit alu. >> hello and thank you for allowing us a few minutes i'm the acting director the alcoholic beverage for the state and here to acknowledge the work of the san francisco police department and i'll ask them to please come up here we definitel

commissioner dejesus >> i have to say.hen this was sent to me was forging documents it bounced back i never got this until today and sometime this afternoon so i have been reading throughout the other ones and so this is quite a list. i can't say i'm repaired to vote on it could i have a lot of questions about the list itself. and kind of the ones that i have asked before, are any of these officers involved in any investigations, or being investigated, any disciplinary action or a court case against him and and are any of these officers involved in any of the shootings that we've had in the last-the woods shooting, although shootings? are any of these opposite is there? i do not have this opportunity. >> director hicks are you prepared to answer that question? >> vice president turman i can answer the question only specific to officers citizens complain. i believe that, yes, commissioner dejesus is asking a broader question. he was i'm asking for your [inaudible] >> yes, vice president turman. we have verified the list. we

commissioner dejesus >> i have to say.hen this was sent to me was forging documents it bounced back i never got this until today and sometime this afternoon so i have been reading throughout the other ones and so this is quite a list. i can't say i'm repaired to vote on it could i have a lot of questions about the list itself. and kind of the ones that i have asked before, are any of these officers involved in any investigations, or being investigated, any disciplinary action or a court case against him and and are any of these officers involved in any of the shootings that we've had in the last-the woods shooting, although shootings? are any of these opposite is there? i do not have this opportunity. >> director hicks are you prepared to answer that question? >> vice president turman i can answer the question only specific to officers citizens complain. i believe that, yes, commissioner dejesus is asking a broader question. he was i'm asking for your [inaudible] >> yes, vice president turman. we have verified the list. we

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dejesus we're going back into discussion. >> okay. >> commissioner president loftus we're bad actor back other than the record in open session. >> great so colleagues given the late hour and the significant progress we've played all take item 3 off calendar that is a number of reports we can get those in the new year and that moves to us general public comment on agenda not on the agenda if any general public comment. >> public comment the address the commission on items not on tonight's agenda within the jurisdiction of the commission. the commission as a whole under police commission rules of order neither the police department, occi or commissioners are to respond to the questions prooebz the questions prooebz the questions prooebz the questions prooebz police commission should enter into debates and please limit your comments to 3 minutes, please. 2 minutes. >> good evening and welcome. >> i really want to say this with the room was packed you we have only it minutes i didn't want to use up that time we need to thank toney chaplin for stepping up i think the city owes him a lot

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we could have first shoppers or first employees showing up because it is a big shopping dejesus after be -- >> wouldn't it the be funny if that was dave kinchen. >> i'm coming in, guys. >> he used the excuse. >> here comes another car coming from your shot from behind your live truck. we are seeing signs of life here at cherry hill mall. this is rare to see, look, there is three cars, while on the air, how about that, for a tease. so we have got people coming to cherry hill mall which opens up at 8:00 for you people just joining us, jc penny where we are the first big department store they have their own doors here so they could open up before the mall and they are hoping up at six. we have an hour count down for a day after christmas sales, if you are, unlike somebody, who got a gift from sues serio who makes her own gifts, you cannot return, stuff that sue serio if she made you a nice pillow. >> you would never want to they are so great. >> reporter: that is right. you cannot put a value on something like that. that would be, if you return to sue serio gift all of the hours that she

excuse commissioner marshall is excused commissioner nakajo's commissioner nakajo and commissioner dejesus commissioner wong excused we have quorum. >> thank you sergeant and ladies and gentlemen, just for clarity we will have general public comment at this time and we will then go into our hearing specifically on the number of reports including the blooper report and other reports as referenced in the hearing so if you last week to make comments specifically recommended to the hearing through will be an opportunity to do that as well that is the time for general public comment first speaker please. thank you good evening andrew yip world affairs have key focus on human civilization in process economic comes to a stage of prosperity and executive control 2, 3, 4 management puts business foyers in good order of development our life business career strives for success being caution about the problems even in time of security one must having a true obviously of executive actions one must have collect strategies for rich and notable to determine the december i didn't in life that is for the as

loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner mazzuco commissioner dejesus commissioner wong commissioner melara ask excused commissioner president loftus we have quorum also with us the intern chief of police toney chaplin and joyce hicks. >> okay. >> good evening and welcome to the wednesday, november 2, 2016, police commission meeting i'm going to make changes to the agenda given the length of the agenda a long closed session handling discipline matters one and 2 to our meeting next week and go ahead and start with general public comment. >> so public comment will be two minutes given the length of the agenda and the anticipated number of speeches. >> item 3 the public is welcome to address the commission on items not on tonight's agenda but within the jurisdiction of the commission. with respect to agenda items, please direct your questions to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or departments or occi personnel. department, occi or commissioners are to respond to questions but may provide a brief response. police commission shou

75 percent of the meetings so developed a strong relationship with victor wrongly and commissioner dejesus and see the characteristics we need on the police commission we need street fighters can't have people that are weak or send a letter to the police department saying you need to change we need someone that understands the games mentality when i call sfpd a gang those are the words the retired justices from the blue ribbon panel that person is john we had an extensive conversation in which we per swayed me he's the right person for the roll and what i really most respect is his deep understanding and engagement with low income young san franciscans of color that are disproportionately has and served by the police department i urge you to support john to fill the seat of victor wong if you want to reign in the poa offer legal insurance to police officers not independent for the poa for legal recommendation thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i come here not only a san franciscan i worked in district attorney's office and do criminal defense and on the bar association

75 percent of the meetings so developed a strong relationship with victor wrongly and commissioner dejesus and see the characteristics we need on the police commission we need street fighters can't have people that are weak or send a letter to the police department saying you need to change we need someone that understands the games mentality when i call sfpd a gang those are the words the retired justices from the blue ribbon panel that person is john we had an extensive conversation in which we per swayed me he's the right person for the roll and what i really most respect is his deep understanding and engagement with low income young san franciscans of color that are disproportionately has and served by the police department i urge you to support john to fill the seat of victor wong if you want to reign in the poa offer legal insurance to police officers not independent for the poa for legal recommendation thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i come here not only a san franciscan i worked in district attorney's office and do criminal defense and on the bar association

commissioner president loftus commissioner vice president turman commissioner marshall commissioner dejesusr mazzucco commissioner melara commissioner hwang commissioner president loftus we have quorum and also with us the

75 percent of the meetings so developed a strong relationship with victor wrongly and commissioner dejesus and see the characteristics we need on the police commission we need street fighters can't have people that are weak or send a letter to the police department saying you need to change we need someone that understands the games mentality when i call sfpd a gang those are the words the retired justices from the blue ribbon panel that person is john we had an extensive conversation in which we per swayed me he's the right person for the roll and what i really most respect is his deep understanding and engagement with low income young san franciscans of color that are disproportionately has and served by the police department i urge you to support john to fill the seat of victor wong if you want to reign in the poa offer legal insurance to police officers not independent for the poa for legal recommendation thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i come here not only a san franciscan i worked in district attorney's office and do criminal defense and on the bar association

. >> you have- commissioner dejesus is here and commissioner dejesus we're going back into discussion. >> okay. >> commissioner president loftus we're bad actor back other than the record in open session. >> great so colleagues given the late hour and the significant progress we've played all take item 3 off calendar that is a number of reports we can get those in the new year and that moves to us general public comment on agenda not on the agenda if any general public comment. >> public comment the address the commission on items not on tonight's agenda within the jurisdiction of the commission. the commission as a whole under police commission rules of order neither the police department, occi or commissioners are to respond to the questions prooebz the questions prooebz the questions prooebz the questions prooebz police commission should enter into debates and please limit your comments to 3 minutes, please. 2 minutes. >> good evening and welcome. >> i really want to say this with the room was packed you we have only it minutes i didn't want to use up that time we need to thank ton