commissioner dejesus? >> commissioner dejesus: so since you braought it up, i think this falls into that area. but i'm been inundate -- i've been inundated with e-mails about 1421 and surrounding, and whether they got in the seminar or didn't get in the seminar. this is covered in 1421? hirs >> president hirsch: yes. i've asked the department, the commission, and the d.p.a. to present on 1421 where they are, what they've produced, how they go about it, what the issues are, and that is going to be scheduled for december 14. >> commissioner dejesus: so there's a presentation. >> commissioner hamasaki: is there a policy? >> commissioner dejesus: we can't do that on the 13 of november? >> president hirsch: we're not available. i don't think we have a meeting on the 20. there is no meeting on the 20. >> commissioner elias: there is no meeting on the 20? thanksgiving is the following week. >> commissioner dejesus: so now, the presentation, i guess the question that i have is how is this -- maybe the d.p.a. shoul

commissioner dejesus. >> i don't know. i counted 21. let me just say, i think you hit the nail on the head, you know, patterns. i think when we looked at this, this is all we have available to us and so it's good to point out that it's over a two-year period. this is all we have today. we're looking at it and there's some flaws that we're trying to get some better understanding. it does look like a pattern and that's what we're trying to talk about and rather than one individual instance and we don't have all the facts in front of us and i can't second judge you but i did look at 21 either traffic stops and searches. first amendment stuff and i mean, i have them circled over here. and there's like five or six body-worn cameras and some of these are improper searches of the car or of a home and when you look at them and i guess what i was focusing on is i counted 49 where the department agreed that there was a violation but there was no discipline. and i guess just looking at that that's just concerning and we don't know why and it's con

. >> president hirsch: commissioner dejesus, and welcome back. >> commissioner dejesus: thank you. i just wanted to get some information. you said in your report, the department wasn't involved. did you say with the f.b.i., under an m.o.u. >> with the jttf. >> commissioner dejesus: you said in your report, the department's not actively involved. >> commissioner elias: i think he said actively involved in jttf. >> commissioner dejesus: okay. thank you. thank you. and then i guess going back to the article, when you first came on board, i think you suspended the jttf that was in place. >> correct. >> commissioner dejesus: i'm assuming that m.o.u. has expired. >> yes, it has. >> commissioner dejesus: and you mentioned that if any new contract came with a jttf, it would come in front of this commission. >> yes, as well as any new contract with a d.g.o.-10. that's one of the things that regardless of how jttf goes, that's one of the things that we are looking at, as well. >> president hirsch: for members of the public, there was a civil grand jury that was convened in 2018-2019, and in

. >> commissioner dejesus. >> so i just want to get clarification. when you say the sro officer should have training and the chief says they do have training i'm not following what the concern is on the training. >> so yesterday we had a conversation our transformative justice committee, had a conversation with lieutenant yolanda williams. try to make sure i'm not saying people's names wrong. it was that when she had took over the sro program or whatever, and 90 percent of the officers were untrained on a very specific training that related to engaging with the young people in schools, i forgot exactly what she called that training. but -- kind of problematic. >> so that was your concern? >> yes. that was very directly our concern. they aren't trained to interact with youth and they are already in the schools interacting with youth that may be a problem. >> maybe you can find out what lieutenant williams was focusing on. >> yes chief. i believe what ms. jones is talking about, the understanding teen training, which is part of training that we started

. >> commissioner dejesus: i move we adjourn this meeting in the memory of buck deventhal. he was the brain trust of the city attorney's office. he knew everything about the charter. he was brilliant, he was dedicated, and he played a role in all the ground breaking work that the city has done, and he was a fair and kind man, and he will definitely be missed. it's a loss to the city attorney's office, and it's a loss to the city, as well. >> president hirsch: thank you. is there a second to that motion? >> commissioner elias: second. >> commissioner hamasaki: second. >> president hirsch: all in favor? opposed? we're adjourned. thank you. >> you know i've always wanted to do this job that drives my parents crazy we want to help people i wasn't i did not think twice about that. >> i currently work as cadet inform the san francisco sheriff's department i've been surprised 0 work within criminal justice system field i had an opportunity to grow within that career path. >> as i got into the department and through the years of problems and everything else that means a lot i can r

commissioner dejesus. >> i'm just wondering can we discuss this? can we take 1, 2 and 3 separately?cuss it? >> well right now it's just there are two requests. i had them bunched but you want to vote on them separately? >> i would prefer to do that. what do you think? >> well, this is not a committee, actually >> no, just to have discussion among ourselves. >> we can discuss it. all right. we'll separate the vote out. the first item we are voting on is the $6,000 wilderness program which we just heard comment on. but public comment is closed. what is it that you want to say? all right. yes commissioner hamasaki. >> i mean i guess i appreciate the speaker's words. and i guess my only thought is -- or my thought is if there's money that's being used by the poa, and i do agree with the speaker that some of the political tactics and so forth were reprehensible and beneath the dignity of the department, but then again, this is not the police department's actions and this only represents the p. o. a.^ but in my view this is $6,000 that won't be spent on any future reprehensible conduct. s

. >> commissioner dejesus: i move we adjourn this meeting in the memory of buck deventhal. he was the brain trust of the city attorney's office. he knew everything about the charter. he was brilliant, he was dedicated, and he played a role in all the ground breaking work that the city has done, and he was a fair and kind man, and he will definitely be missed. it's a loss to the city attorney's office, and it's a loss to the city, as well. >> president hirsch: thank you. is there a second to that motion? >> commissioner elias: second. >> commissioner hamasaki: second. >> president hirsch: all in favor? opposed? we're adjourned. thank you. >> good morning, everybody. welcome to the november 8, 2019 public safety and member service's committee. i'm chair of the committee. to my right is our vice chair and our clerk is john carroll and i want to thank jason goldhammer for staffing our meeting. mr. clerk, any announcements. >> yes, please ensure you've silenced cell phones and your completed speaker cards to be included as a part of the file shall be submitted to the clerk. item

sending without a criminal aspect to the conduct outside of what not and i think -- commissioner dejesus justice perdita felicien in my ear waste of resourcewhispered . we do not need our officers doing social services and those are better tasks for the agencies that are properly trained and qualified to handle those and so there's a real need to push on other city agencies to handle their caseload or their what falls within their area and not put the whole burden on the department so just something that we should be thinking about as we consider our involvement with hsoc and how to best utilize our officers moving forward. >> thank you. we're going to move to the next agenda item. turn your phones off. i've heard three phones now. turn them off. next item, please. >> clerk: b3, bpa director's report on bpa activities and announcements. the report will be limited to a brief description of dpa activities and announcements. it will determine whether the calender any -- >> there is one other part of the chief's report and it's the follow-up on requests from vice president taylor. so we have

commissioner dejesus? >> i attended the meeting of language access. and this is really complicated. so i'm just going to try to give you a nutshell version of this. we are having these issues with officers who were born in a country speak fluently, but cannot get certified by the department of human resources if i have that right. and we had -- we had captain jack heart came to the meeting and put $300 out of his own pocket to train one of his officers to get certified by an outside agency so that when they test that they can say i have credentials. but those credentials coming from the outside are not being recognized. don't hold me to all this, but they are not being recognized by the department of human resources. and we have other officers paying out of their pocket to get individual certification. so this is an issue that's ongoing. you can have somebody from your office who is there so she probably knows better than i do. there was a discussion. and how are we going to move forward. and they came up with a plan. there's a plan in place they are going to move on. but there may