a week before that, deke slayton, who was in charge of the astronauts, arranged a meeting with the headthe space center. so paul haney was going to be there. paul was on the phone when he started this meeting. so he did not get there when they started. when he finally got off the call, this is the story is telling me. he went down there and went in. deke had just finished naming and giving a brief background of the people selected. the head of engineering -- i have your name problem too. i can't remember his name. but he was the guy that designed the spacecraft. best technical guy we had there. as paul walked in, deke says you can't do that. that is 13. >> meaning they chose 13 astronauts. >> i could not believe that the technical guy was superstitious about 13. and deke says, i want this guy. so if i have to take another one. i am the only one to this day that knows he was number 14. >> had that not happened, who knows? >> had that not happened, i would not be here today. >> fate is the hunter. >> yes. good book. let's go back to something serious. apollo 1, the fire. where were you? t