steve was able to depose del watson who was the top fbi counterterrorism official both before and then after 9/11 and i have known joe for years. i always held them in high regard as a counterterrorism official, but i will just read you this exchange because it sure surprised me. steve asked ," do you know who osama bin laden spiritual adviser was? dale watson, can't recall. steve, do you know the differences in religion between shiite and sunni muslims? not technically, no. again, this is not depending on -- the pentagon papers or even a case like rich in taking on the white house, but i thought it was important, and our access to this whistleblower gave us access to these videotapes and shed some light on what was going on with the fbi at a critical moment. .. i've always said that for an investigative journalist, there's there is kind of like a bug, there's something there that this terminal is once to get to the truth in the root of the story no matter what and charge. and from a whistleblower perspective, that's who you want on your case. i think for any investigative journalist,