is it not true that many of the five million e-mails lost that you described were in fact delated, it wasn't because of crashed computers. they were actually deleted. >> sure, intentionally deleted in order to hide whatever it is they didn't want the pub tloik see. >> i thank my friend. >> out of the vice president's office of all places. >> i thank my friend and the chair. >> we now recognize the gentleman from mr. pennsylvania. >> all right. i thank the chairman. i remind my colleagues that mr. fitzgerald was a colleagues of mine. there were people investigated and convicted. i have great respect for your history as an attorney. and you yourself identified you manage complex litigation matters before you came hire. i'm asking for your insight even though this may have been prior to your actual involvement. but in june -- early in june 2011, in fact, june 3rd, ways and means chairman sent a letter to doug shulman, commissioner in which he identified alleged discriminatory practices on the part of the irs. from your perspective, when somebody alleges discrimination, do you think there