and they are saying well e-mails were deleteed, we don't know if we can get them for you, in mid st*midstthis, hhs does prove e-mail that go too of 2013, here it is with redactions they discuss the debacle of health care.com, and then tavenner saying release this email. cheryl: this is in relateed to roll out of obamacare going become wards a little bit, then you want to know what other e-mails were deleteed, she made that come, delete this ephraeul buemade but-- e-mail but see ifd work on call script, what does that mean to you? >> they call and contact people, to get them enrolled, when you read through e-mail chain, it shows they are having trouble converting those manual enrollments into the on-line enrollment and mergeing that and having circo, one of the the companies doing the verycasion, turley making -- actually making the process work and feedback into health care.com. so, just shows you how they are trying to conch their tracks, they knew they had a problem on their hand even though they were felting us all is well. cheryl: motivation, roll out of obamacare was a unmitigateed d

>> it is but only non substantive correspondence gets deleteed. >> thank you. >> sorry. i didn't get your name sir. >> jonas i ownace. >> what is your passion. . >> >> what is your position? >>i work with the department and my position has been the custodian of records since then. >> have you had any supervisory duty of those talked about in the report that the gentleman said he dealt with and had problems getting the various documents he was asked for and they dribbled out documents to him over various points of time? are you the supervisor at the time? >> not at the time he made the official request. that was transferred to me from tom de santo. >> okay. he was a supervisor -- >> he was the custodian of record at that time. >> who did he report to? >> director ram. >> so above him was director john ram. >> that's correct. >> i take it to regard to any things done in violation of any rules or regulation by these individuals who were named in the report that at some point mr. ram would have been informed of that if the supervisor knew of it and that he would have taken s

>> it is but only non substantive correspondence gets deleteed. >> thank you. >> sorry. i didn't get your name sir. >> jonas i ownace. >> what is your passion. . >> >> what is your position? >>i work with the department and my position has been the custodian of records since then. >> have you had any supervisory duty of those talked about in the report that the gentleman said he dealt with and had problems getting the various documents he was asked for and they dribbled out documents to him over various points of time? are you the supervisor at the time? >> not at the time he made the official request. that was transferred to me from tom de santo. >> okay. he was a supervisor -- >> he was the custodian of recordth