a lot of people in the early october sunshine demanding a second referendum, ranging from delia smithkhan, and various other people. so that is the story which runs throughout. we have it on the front of the times, if we return to the sunday times. the question is, will they get it?|j think not. the only way i think it is going to happen is if there really is a major change of opinion by the british public. it would be very dangerous to have a referendum that was on a knife edge, because what does that say about democracy the last time around? all you would need is a narrow remain when, and people will say we had a referendum. so you need a big margin, and therefore you need opinion polls to be showing consistently that people actually do want a second referendum. what the sunday times saysis referendum. what the sunday times says is that downing street are worried enough to start wargaming yet to see what might happen. but at the moment, if you have more demonstrations like this, if the opinion polls change, it is possible. until that happens, opinion polls change, it is possible. un

i remember delia smith doing a book about cutting corners and buying in things, and i think it'sjustd to make everything yourself but now, you know, because the supply of good quality — notjust fresh produce, but things like stocks and sauces — is so advanced and it's so easy to get good sauces, so why not bring them into a recipe? do you have a sense of mission about these books? i'm afraid so! you're an evangelist? iam. i think if you care for something you end up being a bit of an evangelist anyway, because you're just saying, "why can't they see this?" do you sometimes think, looking back at your books, tv presenting, the business that you run, all the people that you give work to, all the other people you give pleasure to through your books, we're sitting here by the river thames, on a beautiful day, the rootless kid who didn't really know what he was doing and was sweeping the streets — you have come quite a long way. yeah, i suppose so. but i sort of... i think the problem is that you sort of think somebody‘s going to find you out. you're a bluffer, really? yeah, in some curio

but not everyone is a jamie 0liver or a delia smith.new tricks. i really have to look after her. frank and marion have been married for 63 years. i'm her carer and she's not a well lady. marion used to do most of the cooking but she has alzheimer's disease, the most common form of dementia, so that's becoming harder. i've always been interested in cooking although never had the ability and unfortunately, one day, marion might not be able to cook any more. so frank has been going to cooking classes run by age uk barnet, aimed at men who, like frank, would like to cook but who have never learned. my wife passed away three years ago and i'd relied entirely on her capabilities as a wife and a cook. we're all males here and almost in the same sort of board. nancy runs the class voluntarily. you've got a whole generation of men out there this particular age between 70s and 80s, even up to 90, who've never learned to cook. that's a generation that didn't do it. so they come to these classes, they get some skills, they get some company and they

but not everyone is a jamie 0liver or a delia smith.e been married for 63 years old. i'm her carer, and she's not a well laid. marion used to do most of the cooking, but she has alzheimer's disease, the most common form of dementia, so that's becoming harder. i've always been interested in cooking but i've never had the ability. i'm worried there will be a day where marion would be able to cook any more. so frank has been going to cooking classes aimed at men who, like frank, would like to cook but have never learned. my wife passed away three years ago, and i've relied entirely on her capabilities as a wife and a cook. we're all males here and we're all virtually in the same sort of boat. nancy runs the class of voluntarily. you've got a whole generation of men out there, this particular age, 70s and 805, even out there, this particular age, 705 and 805, even up to 90, who've never learned to cook, they were a generation who never did it so they come to these classes, they get some skills, they've get some company and they have a bit o