on a single -- in the word clouds, one thing stands out, and that's deliberate.we are deliberate in our process, and stand by our decisions, even when others disagree. i would think that when others disagree, for instance the city attorney, or any other kind of knowledgable body, that it would be in the best interest of the department to change opinion. thank you so much. >> president fong: thank you. is there any additional public comment? on this item. >> sue hestor, speaking for myself. when i saw the term charter on the agenda, i thought you were talking about the san francisco charter. which guides all of us, and is a governing document. i think that name is confusing. secondarily, i'm struggling with the records of the city and the records of the planning department. and when i look at what is here, there is no acknowledgement that this plan use department is a part of the city. because what we do as a city is we actually pass laws that deal with public records. and on the ballot in 1999 was proposition "g". also known as the sunshine ordinance. and it requ

readiness is no accident but is a deliberate outcome of focus and hard work. dod is now stepping up to the plate in a very formal and direct way but this will only work as well as our local state and federal civil authorities partner with us to ensure our capabilities are known, understood and well planned into their responses. well, i thank you for the opportunity to fill in for admiral roughhead. this new mission area that's coming our way i think in a more deliberate form is important to us. i have been a believer in it for years and i think what we are starting it see here in san francisco is a model of how we can approach our ability to spert our fellow citizens. so thank you very much for the chance to speak to you and with that, sir, i open it up to questions. is that right? (applause). >> okay, sir, we're ready for the panel. >> yeah, if you'll just remain in place, we're going to shift, we'll brin . >> yeah, if you'll just remain in place, we're going to shift, we'll bring the panel up and the person that will be introducing the panel, lewis loeven. i

today jersey were asked to testify about alleged misconduct during deliberations. reporter david culver explains how it unfolded today in court. >> reporter: an unexpected shake-up. suddenly it was the jurors being questioned, the judge and attorneys wanting to know how two additionnaries and one they sauers may have influenced the verdict. the defense they're receiving, they've already filed motion for a mistrial. daniel harmon wright walking back into jail today, a little more composed, a very different harmon wright from 24 hours earlier. that's when a jury convicted him of voluntary manslaughter. perhaps now harmon wright is more hopeful. there's a chance he could get a new trial. inside the courtroom, drama focused on the jurors after

the judge told her her jury instructions should have been enough to deliberate. the judge is going to decide on friday morning how she's going to provide. i'm david culver, noifr noifr. >> there was an emergency session late this afternoon. it's the start 6 an effort to remove john leopold from his job. e was convicted yesterday. he's suspended immediately, and an active executive named. they're expected to vote monday after a public hearing. >> the state of maryland is strong and getting stronger, that in his state of the state address. chris gordon now with a report on what es is on the governor's agenda. >> mayor vincent gray from our neighbors in new columbia. >> job creation must be or top priority always. while we're recovering jobs faster than any other state in our region, there's still too many who are out of work. >> he's pushing for wind power. >> this year he's coming for the guns. he ace come for the cash, for our problem, and now for the guns. >> death penalty is expensive, it does not work and we should stop done it. >> reporter: curt was 22 when h

the jurors deliberated since just after 2:00 this afternoon following closing arguments. the decision before them, whether former town of culpeper police officer daniel harmon- wright shot a 54-year-old woman with intent to kill or whether he used his weapon as an act of self-defense and to protect the public. on februar9th, 2012, patricia cook was sitting in her car in a lot at epiphany catholic school. she refused to leave even when confronted by a school administrator. so then officer daniel harmon- wright was called into check on a suspicious vehicle. when he arrived, cook said she was waiting for a friend. she displayed her driver's license but apparently declined to hand it over to him. harmon-wright testified he reached for it but she rolled up her window, trapped his hand and began to drive. he says he fired because he felt his life was in danger. the former policeman kept firing after the car moved away from him. special prosecutor jim fisher told the jury harmon-wright's actions were unjustified and excessive. defense attorney daniel hawes said he was doing his

some deliberate disobedience. that is god doesn't put people on a shelf because they make mistakes. he doesn't put people on the shelf because they don't do their very best. we all fall into that. he puts people on a shelf because of deliberate willful act of disobedience that's very, very important to almighty god. they choose to, they choose to refuse to follow his will. they get out of fellowship with him. they begin to make choices in life instead of seeking the mind of god they want to do it their way. and so denial does not change this position. they can say, i'm not on the shelf. but if you watch carefully, you can tell they are. there's grave consequences to being shelfed. consequences to yourself if it happens, other people, to the kingdom of god. so the question comes, will god take someone off the shelf? listen carefully. it depends on several things. the nature of the act of disobedience. the scope of that disobedience. and the damage done by that disobedience. sometimes over a period of time or after a period of time, god may take that person off the shelf and begin to

the jurors are deliberating. when we get an update, we will bring it to you. >>> special forces have complete their operation to free hostages, but the report did not say how many hostages survived or how many militants were killed. secretary of state hillary clinton called the situation fluid today. said the u.s. is hoping the situation will be resolved with a minimal loss of life. >>> the newly remodeled colorado movie theater, site of last summer's horrible shooting massacre, will open for the first time tonight. there wille a private remembrance ceremony in and a movie for victims' families. some relatives of those killed are boycotting, calling tonight's events insensitive. james holmes is accused of killing 12 people, wounding dozens of others back in july. >>> in virginia, police say a woman was shot to death by someone who knocked on her door early this morning. this is footage over the scene. police say she answered the door about 3:30. she argued with the visitor who reportedly fired several shots and t

other people deliberately goaded you, and me sitting back and letting you talk was riveting television. you are a guy who kind of walked away from the highest paid tv gig in america. people don't do that in the united states. >> walking away and being fired are two different things. >> i think you could have avoided that. >> yeah. >> you kind of fired yourself. >> i was on the verge and i pushed it. i did want out after season three. it was no fun, no fun at all. i was so, so upset and shocked to be having this great,

. >> what you're doing is deliberately lying, deliberately twisting it. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. america's been focusing on guns like never before. i want to revisit the best and the worst of those interviews tonight. first, want to know exactly where i stand on guns. i'm in favor of a nationwide ban on military-style semiautomatic assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. i want to close the gun show loophole and require private dealers to conduct background checks. i want to see president obama increasing federal funding for mental health treatment for all americanses who need it. i think these are perfectly reasonable steps to help this country begin to stem the tide of gun violence. there's been a petition on the white house website to have me deported on my views. here's what happened with one of the men behind the petition, alex jones. welcome to you. >> piers, thanks for having me. >> why do you want to deport me? >> we did it to bring recognition to the fact that we have all these foreigners. he's the only guy that had the guns. so we did it to poin

other people deliberately goading you and me just sitting back and letting yo you talk i thought was riveting el to vision. you at the time walked away from the highest-paid tv gig in america. >> walking away and getting fired are two different things. >> you could have avoided being fired probably. >> i think you're right. >> it's a choice you sort of made for yourself. >> i was right on the verge and i pushed it. i did want out of there after season three. it was just no fun at all, you know? and i was so -- i was so upset and shocked that we were having this great tremendous success and nobody was laughing when we were doing it except the audience. i thought this isn't how i thought it was supposed to be. >> how hard was it for you? even with all the experience you had to have your life in this huge goldfish bowl over that period? everybody was talking about nothing else but charlie sheen? >> it was pretty aadrenal. it was exciting, though, to have my sweets opening like the cbs evening news. >> i remember, because on my show, you may well remember this, you weren't on twitter. an

hearing none, we will deliberate regarding the performance of the executive director in closed session. >> whether to disclose any portion of the closed session, discussed during the executive director's performance evaluation. is there a motion not to disclose the ethic's commission closed session deliberations regarding the performance evaluation of mr. st. croix. >> so moved. >> second. >> public comment? no public comment, all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? there is none, so the motion passes. before we move on to the next agenda item, i do want to commend the executive director for his excellent performance this year. we had some trying issues come up and i think we had some real breakthroughs as well in terms of legislation and work we have been really trying to get done. and i think it's a testament to his leadership. and i think we have all benefited from his great work and the great work of the staff that works with him. we know that you all have a lot to do and you do it extremely well, and you were asked to do things this year that i'm sure you did not expect to have to do wh

this afternoon the jury sent a note to the judge asking how long it would need to deliberate before a hung jury is declared. after a reply they agreed to return tomorrow morning. the first trial ended in a hung jury last october. >> new tonight at 6 p.m., the chp is looking into tips about drivers behind the illegal side show that stopped specific this week. ktvu's alex savage is live where the stunts are not only allowed and welcomed. >> reporter: after seeing that video over the weekend, the professional drivers here at the race way are encouraging car lovers to come down here to the track to do this kind of high performance driving. they give people an option that doesn't put the pucklic at risk. -- public at risk. >> this is the video that sparked a criminal investigation. an organized group of drivers blocked all traffic on 880 over the weekend and started doing donuts. it is the kind of activity that could put a lot of people in danger. that's why they open up their race track for amateur drivers. >> doing it on the street, risking to go to jail, having your car impounded, killi

. >> deliberate over the way you deliberate -- >> we have to take a break and then we will look at what lies ahead for the president's cabinet. >> secretary of state hillary clinton is back home after treatment for a blood clot in her head. this followed reports that she had suffered a concussion after fainting. it looked like the president will nominate senator john kerry to fill her shoes when she steps down. timothy geithner is also reportedly planning to leave. also, chuck hagel for the defense secretary but the blood letting their of already begun. why do the republicans dislike him? he's a republican. >> he is in the republican party the way lieberman stands with the democrats. he was never popular in his own party. he came out very strongly against nominating him because of anti-gay sentiments in the past. the apologized but it was not accepted by frank and others. he voted against sections against iran. he appears to be ready to make huge cuts in spending in defense and alike, for example, leon panetta, who argued against sequestration cuts saying it would hollow out the militar

or deliberately misled the american people?i think it's a serious charge and a false charge. for americans died in benghazi. we need to understand what happened there. i think it's important to put this in context. after 9/11 we declared war on al qaeda and that conflict is still going on. you have to put what happened in benghazi and what's happening in algeria in the broader struggle context that started in afghanistan and spread to iraq and is in yemen and pakistan and other places. we tend to understand that when soldiers go to war, they die in service to our country and we're grateful that they do that. once the conflict ends, we're left with fragile states with challenging situations and poor, weak governments and that's the construct that chris stevens willingly walked into because he understood that as we see a libya or egypt or tunisia or yemen move forward, the united states has to be there. while there were mistakes made and underestimations, we can't reduce it to zero. chris stevens understood the situation in bengh

do you believe that at any stage either susan rice or hillary clinton has deliberately lied or deliberately misled the american people? >> i think it's a serious charge. i think it's a false charge. i mean, look, four americans died in benghazi. we do need to understand what happened there. but i think it's important to put this in context. after 9/11 we declared war on al qaeda and that conflict is still going on. i think you have to put what happened in benghazi, what's happening in mali, what's happening in algeria in the context of the broader struggle that we have that started in afghanistan, spread to iraq, and is in yemen, pakistan, other places. we tend to understand that when soldiers go to war soldiers die in the service of our country and we're ever so grateful that they do that. but once the conflict ends, we're left with fragile states with challenging situations and poor, weak governments. and that's the construct that chris stevens willingly walked into because he understood that as we see a libya or an egypt or a a tunisia or a yemen move forward the united states has to be

it's not to say that the deliberation here favors that we do the right thing. we really need to do the right hing with empirical data, not with fluff, and as one who is a philosopher and i go really deep into things and read stuff i will not tolerate fluff. i will expose it. i will shine light where there is darkness. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other members of the public would like to comment? seeing none. we will close public comment. and madam clerk do we have any other items before us? >> no mr. chr app >> a lot a ton with the community and we say to ourselves, there is this one and this one. we all compartmentalize them, we have our own agenda. our agenda is to create great work. if you are interested in that, you are part of our community. >> hello and welcome to brava theater. >> we are trying to figure out a way to make a space where theater and presentation of live work is something that you think of the same way that you think of going to the movies. of course, it has been complex in terms of economics, as it is for everyone now. artist

. >>> we begin with deliberation in the trial of a police officer charged with murder. daniel harmon-wright was on duty in culpeper last february when he shot and killed patricia ann cook in her jeep. harmon-wright said he fired in self-defense claiming cook had trapped his arm in the window of the jeep and was dragging him. prosecutors charged harmon used such excessive force that it rose to the level of muer. the jury deliberated for three hours yesterday before going home for the evening. we have a crew at the courthouse and we will take you there live if there is a verdic >>> we're also monitoring closing arguments in the trial of anne arundel county executive john leopold. he's charged with three counts of misconduct in office for allegedly using his security detail for personal and political purposes. among other things, the prosecution says leopold's secured detail helped him facilitate what they call sexual encounters. the republican lawmaker in his second term is also accused of misusing county funds. the defense claims the charges are too vague and do not cons

fi corporate lawyer hillary clinton's a monster a vicious insinuation here she deliberately stoked voile muslim smear he said you take senator obama at his word that is niger you don't believe that is small and well operated on as you know right now there is nothing to base that on to somebody remember awaits winds of sixty first president's wife to be subpoenaed moral behavior is keeping surfacing she began talking of black plantations and after she lost a huge lead to obama of the presidential from this assassination by the end she was so reckless mrs clinton was being booed even by the democrats you should always say everything you think if you're running for president so plentiful i'd have another beating at the polls in the states she's bright enough animals to fly her to the moon second only to condoleezza rice the new york times knows is fit and young go into ego trips as they've been dubbed a wearing health. ballance. and her memory my gruel when you queried her sending u.s. soldiers into the wrong she gave this strange cockle me a chance to respond i'm off the good duffy's mood

it's not to say that the deliberation here favors that we do the right thing. we really need to do the right hing with empirical data, not with fluff, and as one who is a philosopher and i go really deep into things and read stuff i will not tolerate fluff. i will expose it. i will shine light where there is darkness. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other members of the public would like to comment? seeing none. we will close public comment. and madam clerk do we have any other items before us? >> no mr. chr app >> san francisco recreation and parks department offers classes for the whole family. rec and parks has a class for everyone. discover what is available now and get ready to get out and play. henri matisse. frida kahlo. andy warhol. discover the next great artist. get out and play and get inspired with toddler classes. experience art where making a mess is part of the process. classes and the size the artistic process rather than the product. children have the freedom to explore materials at their own pace and in their own way. talks love art,

it's not to say that the deliberation here favors that we do the right thing. we really need to do the right hing with empirical data, not with fluff, and as one who is a philosopher and i go really deep into things and read stuff i will not tolerate fluff. i will expose it. i will shine light where there is darkness. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other members of the public would like to comment? seeing none. we will close public comment. and madam clerk do we have any other items before us? >> no mr. chr app >> hey, guys, known a with the weekly. much to do and much to see. here the top activities at the top of my list. this tuesday, january 15th, the sf main library will feature free film night and reception and celebrate 2013. join itbs for viewing soul food junkieses, history and cultural significance of soul food, black cultural identity. across the street from the library at grove street. after movie might, learn about the 21st sea lion anniversary. this thursday through next monday, pier 39 will feature sea lion experts and celebration of 23

. >> you are deliberately lying and deliberately twisting it. i want to revisit the best and the worst of the interviews, tonight, i am in favor a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons and high capacity magazines, i want to require prifrt dealers to run background checks on all at gun shows. and i think these are reasonable steps to stop the tide of gun violence. not everybody agrees, several want me deported for my views. one of those behind the petition, alex jones. >> thanks for having me. >> why do you want to deport me? >> we did it as a way to bring attention to the fact that we have all of the froerners, and the chinese government, political power out of a power of a gun, he is the only one who had the guns, we pointed out this is globalism, the megabanks that brag they take over, brag that they have going to get our guns as well. they have taken everybody but the swiss and the american people. when they get our guns, they can have world tyranny. while they by predator drones, being used to arrest people in north dakota. the second amendm

we make deliberations about this, that and the other. and many times we fail to go to the source it find out if those mandates are kept. >> i done see your card. >> good afternoon, commissioners, eric brooks, san francisco green party and the local grassroots organization in our city. i want to spin on mrs. hale's update on cleanpowersf. talking about the briefing that local power will give on january 22 about their work on the local build down. i think you have heard in the past hearings that i and others have said what they have developed in a financial model to get the entire power that advocates are asking for. and putting out in the same price by pg & e and by the locals in the first years of the program. but however the exciting new news in the latest stakeholder meeting between local power and sfsgu and advocates. local power after heard from a lot of us, and after saying, listen, what you are putting together is good. but we have an issue that commissioner caen raised, pg & e is going to roll out their green program at a $6 premi

the jury deliberated three hours. they went home for the evening and will be back at it tomorrow. >>> an update on the student of virginia who said he saw a gunman on the campus. brian harrison is facing federal charges, accused of calling 911 last wednesday night. the school was immediately put on lockdown. e-mails went out. an hour later he admitted to police he made the whole thing up. >>> congress has finally passed a disaster relief package for the victims of super storm sandy and it amounts to $50 billion. the money goes to families and businesses up and down the east coast who need to rebuild following the damage done by sandy back in october. >>> we are less than a week now from the big game superbowl xlvii. ravens v. 49ers. >> we've got you covered here on wusa 9 with all the blitz and the glitz. our kristen berset is live in the big easy. good to see you. >> hey, guys. i'm right in the middle of everything. this is bourbon street behind me. lots of folks down there right now as you can imagine. going to be p

it was idea that things could be slowed down, we could deliberate. senator george hoard noted in 1897, the framers designed the senate to be a distributive form in which the sober, second thought of the people miter find expression." that's what the senate was supposed to be about. but at the end of ample debate and with the rights of the minority to offer amendments and have them voted on shall the 0 j-- the majority should be able to act. this way we can restore this body to one where government can actually function and where we can actually legislate. i think this plan also has another advantage. recently the minority leader defended the abuse of the filibuster on the grounds that it forces the majority to compromise and to -- quote -- "resolve the greatest issues of the moment in the middle." i strongly disagree with the minority leader. right now the fact is, because the abuse of the filibuster, the minority has no incentive to compromise. why should they? they can stop it. they have the power to block legislation without even coming to the moo

stalin was this early -- the only thing he cared about her deliberations was protecting its borders. he didn't care about the u.n. he cared about reparations, but that was not his primary to third. his primary to learn as territorial protection, security for his country. so they went back and forth on that. hopkins got nowhere billing on the issue of the polish government that arrested 60 polish underground people. hopkins tried to get them free. stone said no, we are going to try them, but i will be a mania. hopkins at the best price he ever got when he returned from that mission his whole life. i was that he had done varicose. they have problems for the u.n. salt. molotov pact often making trouble. but they never saw the polish question. on the way back expressing serious reservations about the future with stalin and he regretted the fact service about this no longer around. roosevelt had lived, would anything have been different? roosevelt i have been able, unlike truman and roosevelt would not gotten back into a corner instrument often it and get into shouting matches. roosevelt

the suit claims the nfl deliberately hid the dangers of repetitive blows to the head.s tests show seau had traumatic brain disease when he died. >>> mark is here now with sports. how about those warriors, going up against the top team in the league. >> yeah, it's everybody around here. winning contagious. and the warriors have a big dose going around. serious with this team now, they knocked off the clippers monday. best team in the nba tonight, that would be the team that brings in the very talented kevin durant. bringing 33 tonight. the usual all-star performance outing for david lee. but the warriors, 22 points, 12 rebounds. he's going to get onto that all- star team as a reserve tomorrow. 9 off the bench for jarrett jack. 1:41 left. warriors up by 3. it all came down to defense. curry had 31 points, but the steal right there, anticipating the passing lane. he's fouled, he drained the free throws. the warriors now the only team to beat the heat, the thunder, and the clips all in this season. three of the best right there. the warriors are right up there. >>> we're g

the jury will continue deliberations today to find the truth. daniel harmon-wright said patricia cook trapped his arm in the jeep and dragged him away. prosecutors say it was excessive force that led to the shooting. the jury got the case yesterday deliberating for three hours. they'll be back at it this morning. >>> a student from the university of virginia is facing federal charges for lying to investigators about a gunman on campus. brian harris is accused of calling 911 last wednesday and reporting that he saw someone with a weapon on campus. the school was immediately put into a lockdown and an hour later he admitted to place he made the whole thing up. >>> congress has finally passed a $50 billion relief package for victims of superstorm sandy. the money is going to help families and businesses along the east coast. sandy devastated millions in new york, new jersey and connecticut when is slammed into the eastern seaboard back in october. >>> more funerals in brazil this morning. he -- [ no audio ] [ stand by for captions ] >> reporter: ri

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it's not to say that the deliberation here favors that we do the right thing. we really need to do the right hing with empirical data, not with fluff, and as one who is a philosopher and i go really deep into things and read stuff i will not tolerate fluff. i will expose it. i will shine light where there is darkness. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other members of the public would like to comment? seeing none. we will close public comment. and madam clerk do we have any other items before us? >> no mr. chr app >> 7 and a half million renovation is part of the clean and safe neighbor's park fund which was on the ballot four years ago and look at how that public investment has transformed our neighborhood. >> the playground is unique in that it serves a number of age groups, unlike many of the other properties, it serves small children with the children's play grounds and clubhouses that has basketball courts, it has an outdoor soccer field and so there were a lot of people that came to the table that had their wish list and we did our best to make su

it's not to say that the deliberation here favors that we do the right thing. we really need to do the right hing with empirical data, not with fluff, and as one who is a philosopher and i go really deep into things and read stuff i will not tolerate fluff. i will expose it. i will shine light where there is darkness. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other members of the public would like to comment? seeing none. we will close public comment. and madam clerk do we have any other items before us? >> no mr. chr app >> welcome to "culturewire." today we are at recology. they are celebrate 20 years of one of the most incredibly unique artist residency programs. we are here to learn more from one of the resident artists. welcome to the show, deborah. tell us how this program began 20 years ago. >> the program began 20 years ago. our founder was an environmentalist and an activist and an artist in the 1970's. she started these street sweeping campaigns in the city. she started with kids. they had an exhibition at city hall. city officials heard about her eff

it's not to say that the deliberation here favors that we do the right thing. we really need to do the right hing with empirical data, not with fluff, and as one who is a philosopher and i go really deep into things and read stuff i will not tolerate fluff. i will expose it. i will shine light where there is darkness. thank you very much. >> thank you. any other members of the public would like to comment? seeing none. we will close public comment. and madam clerk do we have any other items before us? >> no mr. chr app >> feel like it really is a community. they are not the same thing, but it really does feel like there's that kind of a five. everybody is there to enjoy a literary reading. >> the best lit in san francisco. friendly, free, and you might get fed. ♪ [applause] >> this san francisco ryther created the radar reading series in 2003. she was inspired when she first moved to this city in the early 1990's and discover the wild west atmosphere of open mi it's ic in the mission. >> although there were these open mics every night of the week, they were

well couldn't say whether he and his colleagues were deliberately targeted by the syrian rebels but clearly some organizations are very much concerned with how the rebels have been handling journalists in the country especially the reporters without borders which issued a report last year saying that the rebels were particularly bad in terms of handling journalists and they were attacking them deliberately they are few but the same pretty much goes for the pro-government forces whose shelling and of hillary strikes led to many deaths among journalists last year fifty journalists international journalists and local and domestic journalists were killed in syria raising very serious concerns about how journalists would operate in this country and definitely working in a conflict zone for journalists is always a great risk but it looks in the syrian case this goes beyond any possible extremes . cheese and extinct life from tel aviv and it's a many thanks indeed and middle east expert pepper escobar believes a willingness to end the syrian conflict must also come from outside the country very sa

. >> commissioners as a member of the public i have been participating in these deliberations since the year 2,002. who i see here is that from the finds of the public when we listen to the deliberation at n afc o and what took place over there you have a very very far cry what has transpired today. it's a very refar cry. too many variables have been imbruesed now, not very long ago. your staff went before the trans bay the joint trans bay and presented something over there insisting that or projecting that they could supply hetch hetchy power. . and that is not very easy. as you know your chief financial officer has said you can predict. the time of energy or the quantity of energy we are going to get from hetch hetchy whether it's a reliable amount to be supplied. if you deal with something like a trans -- they have more money and they can afford to pay more but, the question is are you all able to supply? now your staff, they gained again i plea with you your staff are constituent sitting down over there and they have no clue whatsoever about this presentation. in fact, they have no